The Upside Down Leader

In this episode of The Upside Down Leader , Billy Moyer sits down with Dr. Max Klau , creator of the Answering the Call program for the New Politics Academy , for a conversation that helped shape the ideas behind both the book and this podcast. Max has spent decades helping leaders wrestle with identity, ambition, ego, and purpose. In this episode, he shares the origins of the leadership framework...

In this episode of The Upside Down Leader , Billy Moyer sits down with Alyssia Palacios-Woods , Executive Director of Capital IDEA and a longtime community leader in Central Texas, for a thoughtful conversation about the unique weight of leading in service to others. With more than 15 years in workforce development and nonprofit leadership, Alyssia shares what it means to represent not just an org...

In this episode of The Upside Down Leader , Billy Moyer sits down with Sylvester Williams , former NFL defensive tackle, first-round draft pick, and Super Bowl 50 champion with the Denver Broncos, for a powerful conversation about identity, pressure, and what happens when strength turns into survival mode. Sylvester reflects on growing up in poverty, being held back and kicked out of school, and t...

In this episode of The Upside Down Leader , Billy Moyer sits down with Dr. Kurt Senske , founder of CEO Board Services and former CEO of Upbring, for an honest conversation about leadership under sustained pressure. With more than two decades leading mission-driven organizations, Kurt shares what it means to carry responsibility when the stakes are high and people are counting on you. Together, th...

In this episode of The Upside Down Leader , Billy Moyer sits down with Emily Cherniack , founder and CEO of New Politics, for a candid conversation about power, purpose, and the tension of leading in the political arena. Emily shares her journey as a reluctant founder who never sought the spotlight but stepped forward when no one else would. Together, they explore what servant leadership looks lik...

In this episode of The Upside Down Leader , Billy Moyer sits down with Marco Clark , President of Holy Cross College at Notre Dame, for a deeply reflective conversation about purpose, calling, and the unseen weight of mission-driven leadership. Drawing from his journey in higher education, coaching, and faith-based formation, Marco shares what it looks like to lead when the work is bigger than per...

In this episode of The Upside Down Leader , Billy Moyer sits down with Yuen Yung, co-founder and managing partner of Hal Bar Partners, for a thoughtful conversation about leadership under pressure and the subtle ways the shadow shows up over time. Drawing from a career that spans real estate, entrepreneurship, and high-stakes decision-making, Yuen reflects on how power, control, and ego can quietl...

In the first episode of The Upside Down Leader , Billy Moyer sits down with his spouse Ashley Alaniz-Moyer, Executive Director of Hispanic Scholarship consortium and coFounder of Refuerzo Collaborative, for an honest conversation about shadow work. Together, they explore what their initial thoughts on shadow work, how they have used it in practice as facilitators of New Politics' Answering The Cal...