Debra & Jabari Steward

The Unseen Metric: A Podcast For Church Leadership

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The Unseen Metric: A Podcast For Church LeadershipChurch leaders rely heavily on visible metrics: attendance, giving, volunteer engagement, program growth, staff capacity, yet many of the most persistent challenges in ministry rarely originate in the data leaders monitor. They begin in formation, long before they surface in leadership pipelines, organizational culture, or operational systems. The Unseen Metric: A Podcast for Church Leaders provides senior pastors, executive pastors, denominational leaders, and institutional stewards with a clearer understanding of how connection strength insid...

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Debra & Jabari Steward

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The Marriage Formation Framework Church Leaders Didn’t Know They Were Missing 25.04.2026 9:37

Church leaders often measure what can be seen: attendance, giving, volunteer engagement, ministry participation, and program growth. But one of the most important indicators of Christian formation is often hidden in plain sight. Connection is the unseen metric. In this episode of The Unseen Metric: A Podcast for Church Leadership, Debra and Jabari Steward reveal why connection in Christian marriag...

God Commanded Training: We Built Systems That Avoid It 21.04.2026 13:07

Episode 2 of The Unseen Metric examines a critical formation problem in the church: God commanded training, but many ministry systems now default to informing rather than forming. This conversation helps pastors, church leaders, executive pastors, and discipleship leaders name the difference between information, training, and formation, and understand how weak formation structures affect marriage,...

Marriage Crisis in the Church: Why Pastoral Leadership Is Forced Into Reactive Relational Care 21.04.2026 25:12

In this episode of The Unseen Metric, Debra and Jabari Steward examine a growing challenge facing senior pastors, executive pastors, and church leaders: marriage crisis in the church. Week after week, couples attend services, sit in the pews, serve faithfully, and appear stable on the surface. Then suddenly, pastoral leadership is called in when the marriage is already in crisis, strained, or on t...