Ben Pronk, DSC & Tim Curtis

The Unforgiving60

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Two ex-special operations guys armed with MBAs seek out people leading lives less ordinary, in order to find out how they fill their ‘unforgiving minutes’, and what helps them go, always, a little further. Like intellectual bowerbirds, they collect shiny little objects of knowledge that will help build better humans. Co-hosted by Ben Pronk, DSC and Tim Curtis.

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Ben Pronk, DSC & Tim Curtis

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Mar 12, 2026

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Episodes

S2E28 – A Story of Combat, Cricket and the SAS with ‘Harry’ Moffitt 21.01.2021

Anthony 'Harry' Moffitt spent more than twenty years in the SAS. His multiple tours into East Timor, Iraq and Afghanistan plus counter terrorist duties were coupled with his other love - cricket! He took a cricket bat on every one of his major overseas operational tours and had them signed by the most incredible groups of people. In this episode Harry talks passionately about his beloved SAS, temp...

S2E27b – H Hour with Hawks: An Interview with Ben and Tim 14.01.2021

S2E27b – H Hour with Hawks – An Interview with Ben and Tim   Part B of the interview by Simon Hawken (‘Hawks’) with Ben and Tim. Hawks had the misfortune of working for Tim and then Ben in a light infantry battalion in Townsville. Hawks knows them well and so it makes sense that this would turn the interview around and have him interview Ben and Tim.   We talk families and fathers.  Joining the mi...

S2E27a – H Hour with Hawks: An Interview with Ben and Tim 07.01.2021

Simon Hawken (‘Hawks’) had the misfortune of working for Tim and then Ben in a light infantry battalion in Townsville. Hawks knows them well and so it makes sense that this would turn the interview around and have him interview Ben and Tim. We talk families and fathers.  Joining the military and their days as junior officers in a light infantry battalion. It’s the personal stories of Ben and Tim a...

@RV23 – Happy New Year! 31.12.2020

As usual, Ben and Tim have not been invited to any cool New Years parties, so instead bring you this special RV where they talk all things 2020 including COVID, crisis management – and a book about resilience! And we promise guests next week! As always, please let us know what you think.  We’d love to hear from you – please email debrief@unforgiving60.com .   Intelligence Summary (INTSUM) 01:00   ...

@RV22 – Christmas Eve Reflections on Louise Baxter and Daniel Keighran,VC ... & Listener Questions 24.12.2020

Musing and reflections on Louise Baxter and Daniel Keighran, VC And a Merry Christmas to all from us at the Unforgiving60 Podcast   Intelligence Summary (INTSUM) 01:30          Louise Baxter….. the summary 03:10          What if your kids went to school in hospital…. Being that ill! 04:00          Silliness….. and Captain Starlight 05:30          The Case Study- Nathan Cavaleri. More on Nathan her...

@RV21 – On Meditating with Gary Gorrow, Surviving Massacres with Wayne Jones and Dying Three Times with Coco Quirke 19.11.2020

Three interviews with three amazing guests, covering a range of topics that take us from the benefits of meditation, through the battlefields of Rwanda and Afghanistan and all the way to the Australian Stock Exchange.  Our discussion with Gary Gorrow was incredibly thought-inspiring and re-affirmed our belief in the positive benefits of meditation – we reflect on this, and chat talk about Tim’s ex...

S2E26b – Daniel Keighran, VC- Courage Under Fire 12.11.2020

Quotable Quote: “Turns out if you give someone something to shoot at .... they start shooting at it!”- Dan **** Continuing with Part B of our interview with Daniel Keighran, VC.  NB: We recommend listening to Part A first  as it is an incredible scene setter. **** In this 2nd episode we talk about the action in Afghanistan where Dan was awarded the Victoria Cross for Australia. His version of even...

S2E26a – Daniel Keighran, VC - Courage Under Fire 05.11.2020

Daniel Keighran, VC was born in Nambour, and grew up in Lowmead; a small town approximately 80km from Bundaberg in regional Queensland. His upbringing was anything but normal; Dan describes it as ‘pretty rough’, with a loving mother but an absent father challenging his teen years and where his one male constant was his Grandfather- himself a World War II veteran. Indeed, the first-person Dan ever...

Special Episode- How NOT To win Best New Podcast at the Australian Podcast Awards 03.11.2020

The Australian Podcast Awards just announced their finalists..... and we are not one of them. Here's our 'not winning submission'..... and incidentally, we thought it was quite good.    That said, you can still vote for us in the Listeners Choice Award: https://australianpodcastawards.com/vote     (Submissions were capped at 15 minutes.... and it was very difficult picking the three episodes as ev...

@RV20 - On Parenting – and other dilemmas! 29.10.2020

We’ve been a little slack with the RVs this year – we’re blaming it on the fact that we’ve had a whole heap of outstanding guests, however have found a break in the battle this week to reflect on some of those conversations.   During this episode, we’ve grouped a few of the recent interviews into the topic of parenting and childhood.  Over the past few weeks, we’ve learnt a lot from Steve Biddulph...

S2E25- Louise Baxter Shines Brightly- CEO of Starlight Children's Foundation 22.10.2020

What better cause to commit to than seriously ill children? Well, Louise Baxter is a gun leader and the inspiring CEO of Starlight Children’s Foundation. She has over 30 years' experience in marketing, sales and communication before finding her purpose in the not for profit space. Early in her career, Louise was a member of the Sydney board of Leo Burnett Connaghan and May Advertising, NFPOnline P...

S2E24- Marc Mexsom: When your cause is bigger than your case - Community Courage 12.10.2020

Trigger Warning. At the age of 14, Marc Mexsom was sexually abused by two much older men, in positions of power over him.  In this moving episode, Marc tells his story; of the impact of that event, of the turmoil of keeping this secret inside him for 22 years and of the unimaginable courage to finally speak out about it.  Within 10 days of going public, Marc founded the Australian Not-for-Profit C...

S2E23 – Hard to Keep Killed - McQuilty ‘Coco’ Quirke, NSC 05.10.2020

McQuilty ‘Coco’ Quirke has died three times and also been awarded the Nursing Service Cross. In this incredible interview Ben and Tim talk to a career Army medic whose life is anything but ordinary. Coco talks about the incident where he was awarded the NSC, and life beyond into the operational theatres of Iraq and Afghanistan. It was in Afghanistan where Coco found himself blown up by a roadside...

S2E22- David Gillespie – Inside Teen Brains 25.09.2020

David Gillespie describes himself as a father of six, a recovering corporate lawyer, a former co-founder of a successful software company and the author of eight bestselling books.  He is widely known for his book Sweet Poison, which he wrote after recognising that the traditional dietary advice he was being sold wasn’t working.  Since then, he has written extensively on issues that are close to h...

S2E21b – Wayne Jones: ex SAS Sky God and Rock Star turned ASX CEO 10.09.2020

Part B of our special double episode with Wayne Jones. Wayne picks up where we left off last week by talking about his transition out of the military… and into life as a CEO of the ASX listed iFly Australia. Taking a lot of risks and being supported by mentors including Steve Baxter… this is the story.   Intelligence Summary (INTSUM) 01:45   Intro from Tongue Charge 02:00   About the song ‘Kelly’s...

S2E21a- Wayne Jones: ex SAS Sky God and Rockstar turned ASX CEO 04.09.2020

A former SAS soldier, many people would now know Wayne Jones as the co-founder, CEO and Director of the Indoor Skydive Australia Group, an ASX listed company operating wind tunnels throughout Australia and the near region.  However, prior to his success in business, Wayne honed his freefall skills within the SAS Regiment, including leading the first operational military freefall mission in the his...

S2E20- Understanding Meditation with the Expert- Gary Gorrow 28.08.2020

Based in Byron Bay, Gary is one of the world’s leading meditation teachers, with over 15 years of experience.  Gary has given elite persons, actors, personalities and the ‘normal’ amongst us, an ‘edge’ through meditation. His client list includes Jessica Gomes, Jamie Durie, Gemma Ward, Hamish Blake and many many more. More widely Gary has worked with thousands of people from all walks of life and...

@RV19- On Beth Eggleston, Dr Linda Monshizadeh, Kim Martens & More on the SAS Selection Course 20.08.2020

In this episode, Ben and Tim reminisce about recent chats with some incredible guests, including humanitarian Beth Eggleston, plastic surgeon Linda Monshizadeh and security guru Kim Martens.  And following those three amazing ladies, they bring another amazing lady, Monika Georgieva, back into the studio to ask some additional questions about the infamous SAS Selection Course, including the highs...

S2E19- David Olney: More Blind Insights on Collaboration & Battlefield Innovation 12.08.2020

We couldn’t get enough into the first episode (Season 2 Epi 8) so here is the sequel. Another episode with David Olney -the smartest guy in the room on solving complex and wicked problems. In this episode we talk collaboration and innovation. Why is doctrinal thinking rewarded and how can we break paradigms. David lectures on applied thinking, complex problem solving, philosophies of violence, gro...

S2E18 – Turning Troubled Boys into Good Men with Rick Pedley-Smith 05.08.2020

Rick Pedley-Smith is a good man.  And, through his selfless work in developing and running the Rite of Passage Boys’ Program, he’s helping to make more good men.  Rick began his career in 1997 as a classroom teacher in Sydney before heading to the UK where he worked as a classroom teacher and outdoor education coordinator for an ‘Emotional & Behavioural Disorder Unit’ in West London. Then for the...

S2E16 – Understanding Complexity with Dave Snowden (Comfort in Chaos and Uncertainty) 22.07.2020

Tim and Ben have previously drawn extensively on Dave Snowden’s material as a means of sense-making in complex environments. And here he is in person (virtually). In particular, Snowden’s Cynefin (pronounced ‘kin-ev-in’) framework has proven consistently to be an incredibly useful and intuitive sense-making tool for leaders in all contexts.    In the period of heightened COVID-19 risk it has been...

S2E15- Phil M Jones: Using Words for Influence and Impact (ie = ‘Sales’ (is not a dirty word)) 15.07.2020

Phil M Jones is one of the world’s best salespersons. But Phil admits that his success is related to his ability to only do three things. Phil’s started understanding ‘the art of sales’ with a car wash at the age of 14 when he discovered he was earning more than his school teachers. So, as a result he limited his time going to school! Phil was the youngest Sales Manager in the history of UK fashio...

S2E14- Kim Martens: Surviving High Risk Environments from KFC to Karrada! 08.07.2020

Kim Martens is a high-risk expert in intelligence and security risk management who has worked extensively in hostile environments. She has been attacked by rockets, mortars and improvised explosive devices in Iraq. She’s even hard core enough to even have proposed to her love in Iraq! And then stood beside that same fiancée after he was later blown up in Iraq. After her first career in the police...

S2E13 – The Beauty from Within - Dr Linda Monshizadeh, Plastic Surgeon 01.07.2020

Dr Linda Monshizadeh is a refugee (and triplet!) who spent her early childhood in Iran before her family moved to Australia. She excelled at school and ended up studying medicine, later specialising in plastic surgery.   In this episode, Linda talks about plastic surgery and her specialty – cranio-maxillofacial surgery – before reflecting on the overemphasis being placed on physical beauty in toda...

S2E12- Beth Eggleston- The HAG! The Humanitarian Edition. 24.06.2020

Beth Eggleston is a Fulbright Scholar with over twenty years of experience in humanitarian coordination in a range of peace operations and humanitarian response contexts, working alongside host governments, local and international NGOs, and the United Nations. We discuss the frictions between humanitarian operations and military operations. Beth has field experience in Afghanistan, Liberia, Tonga,...

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