Ben Pronk, DSC & Tim Curtis

The Unforgiving60

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Two ex-special operations guys armed with MBAs seek out people leading lives less ordinary, in order to find out how they fill their ‘unforgiving minutes’, and what helps them go, always, a little further. Like intellectual bowerbirds, they collect shiny little objects of knowledge that will help build better humans. Co-hosted by Ben Pronk, DSC and Tim Curtis.

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Ben Pronk, DSC & Tim Curtis

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Latest episode

Mar 12, 2026

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Episodes

Special Episode! Run Army with Jake Ellwood 12.03.2026

In this very special episode, we are joined by Jake Ellwood - retired Australian Army Major General, marathon runner and Unforgiving60 alumni - to talk all things Run Army!  As president of Run Army and the driving force behind the event since its inception, Jake knows a thing or two about the race and the wider concept behind it, but we don't just talk Run Army.  Jake also shares some of his thou...

Reviving S2E17 – On Parenting with Steve Biddulph, AM 23.01.2026

Steve Biddulph is one of the world’s best-known parent educators. Steve has been a psychologist for 30 years and his books have sold over four million copies as well as having been translated into 31 languages.    Ben and Tim talk with Steve about their own transformations after reading his books and talk the differences between raising boys and raising girls.   As well as plenty of good old-fashi...

Revival of S2E1- SAS Tactics to Fight the Apocalypse - with Mick Neven from the Apocalypse Comedy Podcast 22.01.2026

It's the year 2100. How would SAS inspired tactics fight the Zombie Apocalypse? Mick Neven is 120 years old but still a comedic legend. He loves a good apocalypse and has a comedy show to prove it! Zombies are descending. What's YOUR life choice!?!?   Intelligence Summary (INTSUM) 0:30. The Situation in the year 2100 5:05. Welcome Mick Neven – Genius Mind & 'What do you have'? 7:20. When runni...

S5E17- Ashley Semmens: The Clearance Diver who is finning the English Channel 31.05.2025

Ashley Semmens is a former Royal Australian Navy Clearance Diver who served for 18 years, specialising in explosive ordnance disposal. He has deployed multiple times, including to Afghanistan, and participated in Australia's military withdrawal in 2021. After surviving trauma from an IED attack, a sniper incident, and a horrific shark attack aftermath in Sydney Harbour, Ashley was medically discha...

S5E16 – Jade MacDonald Razvi: Freediving and ‘EH4AR’ 31.10.2024

Jade MacDonald Razvi is a prominent Australian free diver and occupational therapist. She holds the second deepest dive in Australian history and recently won a bronze medal at the Free Diving World Cup. On this episode we talk about Jade’s growing up and freediving- how it works and how she trains. As well as EH4AR (‘everything happens for a reason').   00:40       Starts with Ben’s hijack! 04:15...

S5E15 – Leigh Anderson: The Paramedic Mindset 09.09.2024

We first had the privilege of meeting Leigh Anderson on the 2022 Resilience Retreat and have been stoked to stay in touch from there – particularly so given the recent publication of his book, ‘The Paramedic Mindset’.  In this episode, Leigh talk with us about that book, as well as his 14+ years as a paramedic.  Leigh discusses the ups and downs of the role including not only the amazing lifesavin...

S5E14 – Kat Rae: On Art, Soldiering and Creativity Through Loss 25.07.2024

Kat Rae is an artist who works across an incredible variety of media.  Her confronting work, Deathmin, was recently recognised as winner of the 2024 Napier Waller Art Prize and represents the fourth time Kat has been shortlisted for this prestigious award.  In this podcast, Kat talks about her artistic journey, including her first career within the Australian Army during which time she met her hus...

S5E13 – Bill Lennan: Making us 40% Better 18.07.2024

This week we host Bill Lennan who will teach us how to be 40% better! He was a kit who was introverted and had social anxiety.. so Bill built his own toolkit.   As Bills tells his story...   Friend: How'd you get that role? Me: Talking with strangers. Friend: What? Talking with strangers is a gateway skill. It enables you to talk with team-mates, stakeholders, leaders, execs, and clients. It also...

S5E12 - Martin McPhilimey: Take a Deep Breath 20.06.2024

Tim and Ben love breathing.  Not just for the fact that it keeps them alive (although that is undoubtedly a strong benefit…) but also for the opportunity it gives to tap into the body’s autonomic nervous system and impact its emotional state.  In this episode, they speak with Martin McPhilimey – someone who was researching the impacts of breath long before it was cool - and find out how the differ...

S5E11 – Dr Andrew Bengsen, Removing Ferals! 03.06.2024

Dr Andrew Bengsen talks to us this week about controlling ferals! Animals that is. Andrew has over 15 years’ experience in pest animal management or research and has been with the NSW Department of Primary Industries, Vertebrate Pest Research Unit for a decade.  But also we discuss Andrew’s first career in the military- including serving in Rwanda over the period of the tragic and confronting Kibe...

S5E10 – Ruth Clare: Courage – and Confidence – through Action 22.05.2024

Ruth Clare, quite rightly, describes herself as a “multi-passionate human who doesn't fit neatly into a box!”  Her formal credits include being a TEDx and motivational keynote speaker, award-winning author, embodied speaking coach, performer, mental health and child voice activist, as well as a qualified scientist with demonstrated expertise in authenticity, resilience and change.  In this podcast...

S5E9 – Adam Blum is No Easy Target 13.05.2024

CONTENT WARNING- This episode discusses mental health challenges and suicidal ideations as well as discussing the tragic death of a veteran. Adam Blum had a troubled start to life, plagued by health issues and enduring a debilitating series of surgical procedures. His school years were a torture. Experiencing health and weight issues and diagnosed with ADHD, Adam faced constant bullying. His self-...

S5E8 – Riana Crehan ‘Suffers Well’; From Supercars to SAS Australia 02.05.2024

On Riana during SAS Australia: “She’s a brilliant human. No bullshit, no ego, she just knuckled down and suffered well on the show” - Dr Dan Pronk  In this episode, Ben and Tim speak to television personality, SAS Australia candidate and all round superstar Riana Crehan- footnote that she is also a fellow West Coast Eagle supporter!  Brought up on a chicken farm Riana spent most of her childhood o...

S5E7 – MAJGEN Justin “Jake” Ellwood DSC AM CSC – On Running (an Army Division, the Queensland Reconstruction Authority….and in general!) 25.04.2024

As a special Anzac Day release, please enjoy our chat with MAJGEN (ret’d) Jake Ellwood.  Jake is currently the Chief Executive Officer of the Queensland Reconstruction Authority, a role which puts him at the forefront of reconstruction and resilience within the state, particularly in the face of relentless natural disasters.  And he’s definitely the man for the job, having spent a long, distinguis...

S5E6 – Dr. Luana Main – The Good, the Bad and the Ugly of stress and (over)training 22.04.2024

This week’s guest is Dr Luana Main, a Senior Lecturer in Applied Sport Science at Deakin University.  An athlete herself, Luana’s research focuses on optimizing human performance and, in particular, finding the sweet spot between optimal load and overtraining.  She has applied this research in areas including elite sport and the military and talks with Ben and Tim about how we can all apply some o...

@RV31 - Reconciliation, Travel and Reflections on Guests 08.04.2024

Ben and Tim try to remember what an 'RV' actually is.... reconciliation and reflection, before we talk about our respective travel. From Morocco, Barcelona, Chicago, Brisbane, Hobart .... and more! Then reflections on Jaz Diab, Dr Rob Barbour, Ian Prior and the Festival of Veterans Art.   Then as usual talking rubbish about the perfect Easter Egg, Popcorn from Chicago..... and encouraging outright...

S5E5 – Rachel Vickery “Don’t Fix Broken – Create Awesome” 15.03.2024

In this episode, Ben and Tim speak to Rachel Vickery.  Rachel spent her formative years as a national level gymnast and Commonwealth Games representative for her native New Zealand before training as a respiratory physiotherapist.  Drawing from this unique background, Rachel now works to help people increase their performance in domains ranging from NBA basketball to the boardroom.  Rachel shares...

S5E4– Creativity Builds Resilience: Artists in Foxholes @fova.org.au 07.03.2024

Do you believe that being creativity builds resilience? Well this week we aim to convince you so get ready. In support of the the upcoming www.fova.org.au we outline how: when you engage in creative activities, you increase your brain’s capacity for creative thinking, pattern recognition, and developing visual-spatial skills. These skills enhance your problem-solving abilities in real-life situati...

S5E3– Ian Prior: How Professional Athletes Stay In the Arena 29.02.2024

Ian Prior is MORE than just a professional rugby player with over a decade of ‘high speed collisions in confined spaces’. He’s incredibly well read and researched. He meditates and practices journaling. He uses ice baths and loves the beach. He’s about performance and optimisation, but uses that to improve his being a dedicated father and husband. This is also a story about tenacity. In the early...

S5E2– Dr Rob Barbour: SAS Doctor Out of Africa 22.02.2024

Get a medical degree and then do SAS selection – as a Doctor!? Sounds mad. Well listen in. Born in Kenya, Dr Rob Barbour spent his formative years in Australia gaining a medical degree and serving in the Australian special forces including on peacekeeping missions. Having never lost his love for his birthplace, Rob migrated to Tanzania to start a socially responsible and community conservation ori...

S5E1B – Jaz Diab – Special Forces Nuclear Scientist, Nerd and Mum! Part B 15.02.2024

In this episode, we continue our chat with Jaz Diab, the multi-talented former Commanding Officer of the Australian Special Operations Engineer Regiment.  Jaz reflects on her experiences as one of the first females in combat roles within Special Operations, before looking at her transition out of the military and subsequent focus on nuclear science.  Jaz then talks us through some of the difficult...

S5E1A – Jaz Diab: Special Forces Nuclear Scientist, Nerd and Mum! Part A 06.02.2024

In this special double episode, we talk with Jaz Diab – a mum, a self-described ‘nerd’ and crochet aficionado, who also happens to be a nuclear scientist and the former Commanding Officer of the Australian Special Operations Engineer Regiment.  Jaz talks us through her childhood, getting bitten by the science bug and her eventual entry into the military, as well as her experiences as a (very humbl...

@RV30 – The Season 5 Kick Off 27.01.2024

In this RV Ben and Tim discuss last year’s events, why they didn’t podcast last year, and where and what they have been up to.   01:00       Where have we been and why have we been off air? 01:50       Thanks to you and Vale Tim ‘Robbo’ Robertson- an inspiration to us 06:30       Tim runs The Wine Marathon 09:30       Ben talks running 14:00       Talking about 2023 travel destinations 15:00      ...

Season 5- We are (ALL) back on the cans 26.01.2024

The Externals are 'Back on the Cans' .... as is the Unforgiving60 podcast. This is Season 5. New guests. New material. Same buffoon hosts. #unforgiving60 #podcast  

Season 5 - And We're Back! 26.01.2024

Ben and Tim are back for Season 5 of the Unforgiving60 podcast.....  some amazing new guests lined up as well as new format (albeit with the same old dudes).   debrief@unforgiving60.com  

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