The Trust Blueprint

In this episode of The Trust Blueprint, Proof CEO Pat Kinsel sits down with Natalia Karayaneva, Founder and CEO of Propy , for a conversation on the future of real estate, blockchain, and programmable property. Pat and Natalia first connected nearly a decade ago when both companies were in their early days. Now, with Propy operating as a licensed title and escrow company across four states, Natali...

In this episode of The Trust Blueprint, Proof CEO Pat Kinsel sits down with Bradley Tusk , founder of The Mobile Voting Project and Tusk Ventures, for a far-reaching conversation on the future of technology, policy, and democracy. Building on Bradley’s April TED Talk and recent coverage in The New York Times , WIRED , NPR , and StateScoop , Pat and Bradley explore the Mobile Voting Project’s five-...

Kicking off The Trust Blueprint, Pat Kinsel sits down with Ian Macallister, Proof’s EVP of Strategy and Business Development. Drawing on experience at Plaid, Unit21, and Early Warning (Zelle), Ian shares how he’s helping banks and fintechs bridge the toughest gaps in identity, risk, and payment infrastructure — and what it means for the future of financial services.  © 2025 Notarize, Inc. d/b/a Pr...

In the final episode of "The Payment Parallel," Proof CEO Pat Kinsel interviews author David Stearns about how consumer protections helped rewrite the history of the payments industry.   David explores the societal and policy challenges that faced the payments industry in the late 60s and early 70s and how the industry went on to change how banks and consumers respond to fraud. Together, he and Pa...

In Episode Three of "The Payment Parallel," Proof CEO Pat Kinsel sits down with author David Stearns to discuss the technology that truly accelerated the growth of the payments industry: the underlying network!   Connecting merchants to issuing banks, David explores how payments evolved from paper-based authorizations to today’s fully automated flows. Together, he and Pat discuss the power of netw...

In Episode Two of "The Payment Parallel," Proof CEO Pat Kinsel sits down with author David Stearns to discuss the foundation of a payment network: the credential. From the Diner’s Club card in the 1950s to today's Tap to Pay, David explores the history of the payments industry and how it solved the multi-sided market dilemma between merchants and cardholders. Together, he and Pat draw parallels be...

In this episode of "The Payment Parallel," Proof CEO Pat Kinsel sits down with author David Stearns to discuss the outdated and cumbersome process of identity verification—and what the identity industry can learn from the evolution of digital payments. David shares his experience navigating manual, paper-based notarization and highlights the security risks that come with it. Together, he and Pat d...