Michelle Koffler & Danyelle Caruthers
The Third Thing
A podcast Hosted by Michelle & Danyelle: a coach and a therapist, an interracial and queer best friend pair of 26 years. The Third Thing is where we are naming and confronting the topics that challenge us in platonic relationships. On friendship and race, money, sobriety, politics, when we drift or breakup, and the jealousy nobody admits to. Each week we spill the tea from our hurdles, and offer up the tools we’ve learned along the way.
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Michelle Koffler & Danyelle Caruthers
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Latest episode
Jul 9, 2026
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Episodes
Episode 6: Friendship and Attachment Styles - Why You Keep Attracting the Same Kinds of Friends 09.07.2026 34:09
Attachment style usually gets talked about in the context of dating and romance. Rarely do we turn that same lens on friendship, even though it shapes those relationships just as much. In this episode, Michelle and Danyelle break down the four attachment styles, secure, anxious, avoidant, and disorganized, and where they come from developmentally. Then they turn the framework on themselves, gettin...
Episode 5: The Breakup Nobody Talks About - When You Lose A Friend 02.07.2026 49:15
Friendship breakups are one of the most painful experiences we can go through and one of the least talked about. There's no ceremony, no bereavement leave, no socially agreed-upon way to grieve someone who is still out there, still living their life, but no longer in yours. In this episode, Michelle and Danyelle give friendship endings the space they almost never get. From the slow, quiet out...
Episode 4: What 25 Years of Friendship Across Race Has Taught Us 25.06.2026 53:22
Here are the show notes for Episode 4: Race is something every interracial friendship encounters, but most of us were never given the tools or the language to talk about it honestly. In this episode, Michelle and Danyelle go somewhere they've been circling for 26 years: a real, unfiltered conversation about race as it has lived inside their friendship. From growing up in Marin County, one of...
Episode 1: Meet the hosts! 15.06.2026 25:16
What if friendship deserves the same care, commitment, and investment that we give to romantic relationships? In the very first episode of The Third Thing , Michelle and Danyelle introduce the concept at the heart of the podcast: The Third Thing . While we often celebrate romantic love and assume familial love will always be there, friendship is frequently treated as optional. Yet some of the most...
Episode 2: What is "The Third Thing"? 15.06.2026 27:24
What if friendship isn't the supporting character in your life story? What if it's one of the most important relationships you'll ever have? In this episode, Michelle and Danyelle explore the inspiration behind The Third Thing and why they believe platonic love deserves far more attention than our culture often gives it. Using their own 26-year friendship as a lens, they discuss how...
Episode 3: When Your Best Friend Hurt You: How To Find Your Way Back 15.06.2026 57:22
Conflict is something every relationship encounters, but most of us were never taught how to navigate it well. In this episode, Michelle and Danyelle explore the ways they learned conflict growing up, how those early experiences shaped their friendships and relationships, and the communication tools they've adopted to create more connection and less defensiveness. Together, they break down th...
Season 1 Trailer 06.06.2026 2:43
Podcast launching June 16th! There are three kinds of love. There's romantic love, the one that gets the songs, the movies, the couples therapy, the date nights, and all the vacations. There's familial love, the one you're born into, that shapes you before you even know what love is. The relationships that are expected to last forever. And then there's The Third Thing: Friends...
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