Eric Jimenez & Justin McLean
The Score
An Urban Music Education Podcast hosted by Eric and Justin. They provide tips and strategies through honest discussions about their experience teaching music in an Urban setting. The goal is to provide a positive and solution-based narrative to create more effective, compassionate and culturally relevant music educators.
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Eric Jimenez & Justin McLean
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Jul 6, 2026
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Episodes
Ep. 46- The Black Percussionist: A Chat with Dr. Lamon Lawhorn 09.11.2020 1:03:03
Send us Fan Mail In this episode, Eric and Justin catch up with percussion extraordinaire and professor Dr. Lawhorn. Listen as Dr. Lawhorn speaks about his journey and vision, and goal as a music educator and a black percussionist. We dig in on the heart of what it means to thrive and push in places that seem foreign and how the very representation of who we are brings about clarity and exposure...
Ep. 45- Changing The Narrative: Our Counterstory 02.11.2020 57:34
Send us Fan Mail In this episode, Eric and Justin take a walk down memory lane and discuss some early moments and words that directly shaped their careers. We take a hard look at things that could break and paralyze any educator but how we instead turned those moments into fuel to help propel us forward. Tune in and enjoy!!! In Rotation: Charlie Wilson ft. Smokey Robinson "All of My Love"...
Ep. 44- Making Families Musical: From the Womb to School & Beyond! Interview: JoEllyn Sumner 26.10.2020 53:16
Send us Fan Mail In this episode, Eric and Justin discuss the importance and specifics of early childhood and elementary music. Our guest Mrs. Joellen Sumner gives us great insight into why engaging, singing, and exposing music of all forms and genres is pivotal in a child’s life. We dispel rumors and layout facts and give real-life applications on how to make this living and breathing in your cla...
Ep. 43- Hispanic Heritage Month: A Latino's Perspective 28.09.2020 59:31
Send us Fan Mail In this episode Eric and Justin discuss something very near and dear his heritage and how we as educators must be concerned with going the extra mile. Understanding culture is more than meets the eye. Listen as Eric lays out what it looks like to be intentional and how going deeper provides a greater experience for bothering teacher and student. In Rotation: Juan Gabriel- Eric Mar...
Ep. 42- Combining Cultures- Interview: Daisy Zambrano 21.09.2020 1:00:44
Send us Fan Mail In this episode we have a specialty guest by the name of Daisy Zambrano a musician who prides herself on combining both worlds of her musicianship. Eric and Justin discuss Daisy’s introduction to music through her family and how she melds hers marachi, accordion skillset with her violin classical training. Ms. Zambrano is the future of music and a true testament of what it means t...
Ep. 41- In Person Teaching During a Pandemic: The Pros and Cons 14.09.2020 47:13
Send us Fan Mail In this episode, Eric and Justin tackle the elephant in the room for the world of education which is going back to the classroom for in person teaching. How is it suppose to look better yet is it even safe? On this episode we look to be transparent about our feelings and how it effects us as music educators, husbands and fathers in lieu of an ongoing pandemic. The times we are in...
Ep. 40- Coded Language in the Virtual Music Classroom- Interview: Coty Raven Morris 24.08.2020 1:03:51
Send us Fan Mail In this episode, Eric and Justin get to sit with special guest Coty Raven Morris and discuss how the virtual classroom may be the new normal, but it should be starkly different in approach. We dive deep into the nuances that can make online learning just as toxic as the classroom if we are unwilling to push in a different direction for the betterment of our kids. Tune, and hopeful...
Ep. 39- One Year Celebration 10.08.2020 46:56
Send us Fan Mail In this episode, Eric and Justin get to sit and do some reflection. This last week we celebrated a year in this journey of our podcast life. Join us as we will walk down memory lane and recall the work and organic steps that have us here today. We hope you sense our gratitude and thankfulness to the support and hear the vision to continue creating a voice and space to change the w...
Ep. 38- Hip Hop Music Ed- Interview: Jarritt Sheel 27.07.2020 58:58
Send us Fan Mail In this episode Eric and Justin get to sit down and speak with Jarritt Sheel, Assistant Professor of Music Education at Berklee College of Music. We deal with the aspect of creating real environments of change in music ed and learning how to educate future music educators through hip hop. Our guest Jarritt Sheel, gives great information on how we create the way music ed should be...
Ep. 37- What Message Are We Sending Our Students? 13.07.2020 51:14
Send us Fan Mail In this episode Eric and Justin discuss the messages we send daily whether on purpose or not. We deal with the aspect of creating real environments of knowing and learning the children we teach. Eric and Justin dig into exact moments that have hindered and helped the life of their career and enhanced their students lives. Tune in and enjoy!!!! In Rotation: USAF Airmen of Note- &qu...
Ep. 36- F.I.N.D. Your Brilliance- Interview: Franklin J. Willis 29.06.2020 1:00:56
Send us Fan Mail In this episode Eric and Justin get to interview Franklin J. Willis, @fwillismusic, elementary music coach from Nashville, TN. He takes us through his journey as a thriving music educator in various educational settings. He also presents how music educators can F.I.N.D. their brilliance in their students and themselves while reflecting on what blinders one may have on. In Rotation...
Ep. 35- Be Willing to Teach Us Too 15.06.2020 42:08
Send us Fan Mail In this episode Eric and Justin discuss the joy and life changing experience of teaching in title 1 schools and urban environments. In our profession the dream for most young music ed students is to land that position at the perfect school. You know the school with perfect funding, private lesson program and affluence. But what if we told you that there’s more than meets the eye w...
Ep. 34- White Fragility in Music Education 01.06.2020 55:05
Send us Fan Mail In this episode Eric and Justin discuss the current status of the culture and how the racial lines play a major role in the lives of us as people and educators. We warn everyone that this episode is not about how to escape or ignore the deaths Ahmaud Arbery, Breonna Taylor and George Floyd. Yet how do we let the racial tension of society help us become more vulnerable and authenti...
Ep. 33- What If? 18.05.2020 46:57
Send us Fan Mail In this episode Eric and Justin discuss the elephant in the room known as What If? What if we never go back, what if marching season doesn’t happen what if I lose my position? Although those questions are scary and polarizing we discuss ways to navigate this possible educational shift. Also how music ed as we know it may need a makeover to continue building and developing students...
Ep. 32- Approaching the Shift: Welcoming Change- Interview: Dr. Daniel Pardo 04.05.2020 59:27
Send us Fan Mail In this episode Eric and Justin interview Dr. Daniel Pardo, Assistant Professor of Flute at Prairie View A&M University, about how to navigate this educational shift. Dr. Pardo provides strategies, philosophies and software on how to welcome the change after the pandemic. In Rotation: El Dusty "Bruke Wine"- Eric Drake "Dark Lane Demo Tapes"- Justin Diego Gu...
Ep. 31- Work Life Balance 20.04.2020 43:58
Send us Fan Mail In this episode Eric and Justin discuss what work and life balance looks like during a pandemic. How do we “clock out” while we stay home? They talk about how they’re handling the shift and provide a few suggestions to implement. In Rotation: Selena- Eric Clark Sisters- Justin Connect with us Facebook, Twitter & Instagram: @podthescore; podthescore@gmail.com ; The Score Podcas...
Epl. 30- Covid 19- What are we to do 10.04.2020 49:53
Send us Fan Mail In this episode Eric and Justin get a chance to sit and discuss the world in its new norm. This world pandemic is something that we have never seen before let alone the world of music education. So we have some insight, tools and just open transparency of how to feel , what our students feel and how we can best teach and be there as educators. Check it out and stay safe. In Rotati...
Ep. 29- Staying the Course: Interview- Kermit Gray 24.03.2020 51:08
Send us Fan Mail In this episode Eric and Justin get a chance to sit down and interview Kermit Gray the Director of Bands at Roosevelt School and Dallas Area Producer. We get a chance to learn about a great educator who has a desire to build, invest and create experiences for the students he teaches everyday. He also provides great information to directors on how memorable experience making music...
Ep. 28- The Mary Poppins of Choir- Interview: Marcus Jauregui 16.03.2020 53:49
Send us Fan Mail In this episode Eric and Justin get a chance to sit down and interview Marcus J. Jauregui the Director of Choirs at Pershing Middle School. We get a chance to learn about a great educator who has a desire to build, invest and create experiences for the students he teaches everyday. He also provides great information to directors on how to truly create music and culture for success...
Ep. 27- Jazz Education 09.03.2020 46:37
Send us Fan Mail Eric and Justin are both huge advocates and products of jazz education. During this time of “jazz season”, they discuss they why and how of jazz education. They provide tangible strategies to implement in your music program at various levels. In Rotation: Static & Ben El & Pitbull "Further Up"; Black, Brown and Beige Jazz At Lincoln Center Orchestra- Eric Mary Ma...
Ep. 26- Solo and Ensemble 24.02.2020 45:58
Send us Fan Mail In this weeks episode Eric and Justin y’all about the infamous Solo and Ensemble. We will be discussing how to make the most of this event for your students and the development of your program. Eric and Justin will also attack defeated mindset that plagued some of the students we teach. In Rotation: Gregory Porter "Love Sngs"- Eric Todd Dulaney "Back to the Book&quo...
Ep. 25- Live at TMEA: Identity in Music Education 17.02.2020 56:54
Send us Fan Mail In this weeks episode Eric and Justin had the great privilege of recording The Score live at TMEA 2020. Eric and a Justin along with an established panel of guest further discussed the importance of identity in music education. The experiences in our individual lives and how we are intentional with those concepts in our respective fields as college professor, band , choral and el...
Ep. 24- Dear Eric and Justin: The Listener's Perspective 10.02.2020 46:01
Send us Fan Mail In this weeks episode Eric and Justin discuss a very profound letter from an anonymous listener. We dig in on the experiences of the listener and how his experiences in urbane environments could’ve been different. Also allowing voices from those spaces to be the help and leader to assist music educators in those environments. We will also discuss how the HBCU band world can be use...
Ep. 23- Programming Music: Fueling Ego or Student Success 27.01.2020 45:01
Send us Fan Mail In this weeks episode Eric and Justin discuss the age old topic of music programming for your band. Is it about ego or development of student and talk candidly about their experience of putting music together that would enhance their program. We will discuss the high and the lows of the process and ultimately what made it positive for their students experiences!! In Rotation: The...
Ep. 22- Student Teaching 20.01.2020 46:22
Send us Fan Mail In this weeks episode Eric and Justin tackle the subject of student teaching. They share the aspects of what makes student teaching a good experience and a bad experience. Both Eric and Justin share their experiences on both sides of the spectrum as well providing suggestions to have a great experience while in the process of developing as a music educator. In Rotation: Eminem &qu...
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