Where digital assets meet capital markets. Hosted by Robbie & Andy

The Rollup

Where the leaders of digital assets and finance converge. Live from the financial capital of the world. Website: https://therollup.co/

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Jul 10, 2026

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Episodes

What is zkTLS & why is it capturing large mindshare right now? 21.10.2024

Join us live for an in-depth exploration of ZKTLS, the tech reshaping how data is verified on the internet. We’re hosting a special panel as part of the Ion Layer Unlocked event, featuring Madhavan Reclaim Protocol and Dawufi from Opacity. Discover why ZKTLS is gaining traction, its potential use cases, and how it enhances privacy and security by making data transfer provable without revealing sen...

Why ZK Verification is Ethereum's Final Frontier with Aligned 21.10.2024

Welcome to episode 4 of EigenLayer Unlocked, for a focus into the final frontier of Ethereum scaling: Inexpensive and lightning fast zk proof verification. In today’s presentation, we break down how ZK proofs allow us to compress complex computations into small, verifiable proofs, drastically reducing the need for re-execution across Ethereum. We were joined by Diego Kingston of Aligned Layer to e...

The Next Evolution of Crypto App Experiences with Lagrange 20.10.2024

Welcome to the 5th episode of EigenLayer Unlocked! Today’s pod, live from Singapore, dives into the evolving world of onchain incentives and how projects like Lagrange are setting the stage for more interactive, long-lasting, personalized crypto experiences. We got to hear from Ismael, Gajesh Naik, and Luca Netz on this special episode. Lagrange’s ZK coprocessor is redefining how data flows betwee...

How Stateless Apps Enable New Cross-Chain Possibilities with Skate 19.10.2024

Welcome to our first EigenLayer Unlocked podcast from Singapore. Over the next few weekends, you can expect dynamic, high-quality, fast paced conversations from Andy and builders within the EigenLayer ecosystem. Today, we’re diving into the idea of stateless apps with Siddharth Lalwani, CEO of Skate. Skate’s approach focuses on solving the liquidity fragmentation issue we see across multiple chain...

Decentralized Sequencing, Fast Finality, and Challenger Networks with AltLayer 17.10.2024

Welcome to the 3rd episode of EigenLayer Unlocked. In this episode we take a deep dive into the evolution of restaked rollups with a focus on significant improvements to the state of L2s today, using AVS technology. Alongside Amrit Kumar, we walk through the three main pillars of AltLayer's future vision: Squad, a decentralized sequencer set; Vital, a challenger network for fraud detection; and Ma...

Why ZK is Perfect for Offchain Computation with Brevis 16.10.2024

Welcome to episode #2 of EigenLayer Unlocked, for a dive into a technical exploration of something that’s set to quietly improve how developers build smarter, more scalable DeFi applications: ZK-coprocessors. The magic of ZK is being able to conduct complex off-chain computations and then verifiably attest to their validity onchain. This is the thesis for coprocessors. Brevis is introducing a solu...

The Role of Operators, Slashing, and Liquid Restaking with EigenExplorer 15.10.2024

Welcome to the 1st episode of EigenLayer Unlocked. This episode is meant to be a primer into how restaking fundamentally works, the key players in the restaking system, and why EigenLayer is leading this category today. At its core, restaking allows users to earn additional rewards by taking on slashing risks, offering a way to maximize risk-adjusted returns. EigenExplorer introduces a novel conce...

Ethereum's ZK & Formal Verification Endgame with Alexander Hicks 08.10.2024

The Ethereum Foundation has been very active in the public discourse, notably with Vitalik's return back to X and engaging in the technical debates about the Ethereum roadmap. Following our recent podcast with Justin Drake about Ethereum's roadmap, we set out to understand one key component of that discussion in further detail. This component? Real-time proving, formal verification, and building a...

Why Purpose-Built L1s? 05.10.2024

Find out why purpose-built L1s with Jason from StoryProtocol, Luigi from Avax and Zmanian from IQ. 𝗪𝗲 𝘁𝗿𝘆 𝗼𝘂𝗿 𝗯𝗲𝘀𝘁 𝘁𝗼 𝗽𝗿𝗼𝗱𝘂𝗰𝗲 𝗵𝗶𝗴𝗵-𝗾𝘂𝗮𝗹𝗶𝘁𝘆, 𝗻𝗼𝗻-𝗯𝗶𝗮𝘀𝗲𝗱, 𝗲𝗱𝘂𝗰𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻𝗮𝗹 𝗰𝗼𝗻𝘁𝗲𝗻𝘁 𝗳𝗼𝗿 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗰𝗿𝘆𝗽𝘁𝗼 𝗲𝗰𝗼𝘀𝘆𝘀𝘁𝗲𝗺. 𝗦𝘂𝗽𝗽𝗼𝗿𝘁 𝘂𝘀 𝘄𝗵𝗶𝗹𝗲 𝗹𝗲𝗮𝗿𝗻𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗺𝗼𝗿𝗲 𝗮𝗯𝗼𝘂𝘁 𝗶𝗺𝗽𝗼𝗿𝘁𝗮𝗻𝘁 𝗰𝗼𝗻𝗰𝗲𝗽𝘁𝘀 𝗯𝘆 𝗰𝗹𝗶𝗰𝗸𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗮𝗻𝘆 𝗼𝗳 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗹𝗶𝗻𝗸𝘀 𝗯𝗲𝗹𝗼𝘄 𝗳𝗼𝗿 𝗳𝗿𝗲𝗲 𝗿𝗲𝘀𝗼𝘂𝗿𝗰𝗲𝘀: Website: https://therollup.co/ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/1P6ZeYd.. Podcast: ht...

Are Based Rollups Really Based? 04.10.2024

Are Based Rollups Really Based with Bread and Ceciliaz from Gwnyenth Taiko , and Sam Battenally from Rise Chain . Website: https://therollup.co/ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/1P6ZeYd.. Podcast: https://therollup.co/category/podcast Follow us on X: https://www.x.com/therollupco Follow Rob on X: https://www.x.com/robbie_rollup Follow Andy on X: https://www.x.com/ayyyeandy Join our TG group:...

Why Solver Rebalancing is An Untapped Market For The Intent-Centric Future 03.10.2024

We've been really honing in on the intent-centric future with regards to chain abstraction in recent podcasts, as its something we are particularly excited for and believe in. One of the interesting aspects of the chain abstracted stack is that it requires a ton of collaboration amongst different players to fulfill the endgame of a smooth UX with chain agnosticism. Today, we're taking a closer loo...

App-Specific Sequencing (ASS) & LVR Technical Debate with Yuki Yuminaga & Alex Nezbolin 02.10.2024

Another technical debate served up for you guys around the redistribution of MEV to apps, the tradeoffs of sequencing for apps, composability, LVR and more. We had the pleasure of chatting with Yuki Yuminaga & Alex Nezbolin, two gigabrains, about the tradeoffs in the app specific sequencing (ASS) paradigm. This concept was introduced by Yuki from Sorella Labs, which aims to optimize how transa...

Eigenlayer Token Unlock: Everything You Need to Know 01.10.2024

The world's first intersubjective token is now officially transferable and live, enabling the next era of the Eigenlayer ecosystem. The core breakthrough of the EIGEN token is the enabling of slashing for their ecosystem of AVSs. If you believe in cryptoeconomic security, you can think of the EIGEN token unlock as the first step towards this ecosystem being "turned on" in a sense. There has been a...

Why AI Is A Tool For Advancing Humanity With Emad Mostaque 01.10.2024

At the DeAI summit, held by Polychain Capital and OpenLedger, Andy had the pleasure to chat with @EMostaque, a mathematician and former CEO of Stability AI. The conversation embraced the changes that we are going to see in 2025, how to prepare for AGI, the techno-optimistic mindset, and why we shouldn't be intimidated by AI. The era of arts, philosophy, and abundance ushered in by machine learning...

How Safe Sequencing Will Power the Appchain Future with Firewall 30.09.2024

If we want the institutions to come onchain, the current security measures are ripe for an improvement. The state of exploits and sequencing for L2s, in their eyes, is like the wild wild west and is extremely risky (if not straight up impossible due to regulations). Today, we're diving into onchain sequencing security via an interesting concept called "safe sequencing" from Firewall. We sat down w...

Solving The Extensibility Problem with Griffin Dunaif of Halliday 27.09.2024

In today’s piece, we’re taking a closer look at Halliday, a project that’s working to simplify and automate one of the most crucial yet complex aspects of DeFi—commerce across multiple chains. Led by Griffin Dunaif, Halliday is focused on building the infrastructure that enables seamless value exchange between different blockchain networks, tackling the challenge of automating asset transfers, on-...

Why The Intent-Centric Future Is Extremely Promising with Anoma 26.09.2024

Our first interview with Adrian was probably in 2020 or 2021 at a conference, so it was a pleasure to catch up with him again. This time, we are diving into a fresh take on some key themes in onchain development that are worth paying attention to. Adrian, who has been in the trenches of crypto development since 2016, gives us some deep insights into intent-based systems, how they compare to tradit...

Appchains Vs. L1s: What is Crypto's Endgame? With Illia Polosukhin 25.09.2024

One of our favorite pods as we were able to tackle two birds with one stone, the appchains vs. sharded L1s debate as well as key insights into the state of AI from Illia Polosukhin. The key questions we discussed is whether apps should continue to rely on shared, sharded chains, like NEAR, or if there’s a stronger case for each app eventually becoming its own chain. This raises important considera...

Why Blockchains Are Crucial For The Evolution of AI with Sreeram Kannan 25.09.2024

In Singapore, Andy sat down with Sreeram Kannan to learn why he believes the crossover of AI and crypto is extremely important, and how he sees this trend developing in the future. They discussed AI as a coordination mechanism, where the importance of decentralization comes in, and why Sreeram believes we are at a crucial point in time for the evolution of AI.

Why Treasure Left Arbitrum To Build Their New Chain on ZK Sync 23.09.2024

While in Singapore this week, Andy found time to interview Karel Vuong about the "public breakup" of TreasureDAO with Arbitrum. What grants did ZK Sync offer? Is Treasure grants hopping? Why does Treasure want their own chain? What does this mean for the community? We left no stone unturned and gave Karel a platform to clear the air.

Why Liquid Funds Have An Edge over VCs 20.09.2024

Today's episode with Zaheer from Split Capital, we dive into the nuanced strategies of running a liquid fund in this ever-evolving crypto market. With the introduction of Bitcoin ETFs and institutional investors gaining more influence, the market's dynamics have become more complex and less predictable. Zaheer walks us through how Split Capital adapts to shifts in market conditions and why...

ZKVMs vs. ZK Circuits: A Spicy Debate 19.09.2024

Today, we get to moderate a debate that’s been brewing in the ZK-space: ZKVMs or custom ZK circuits? ZKVMs have been pivotal in getting projects up and running quickly. They lower technical barriers by making zero-knowledge proofs accessible to more developers. But as applications mature, there’s a growing question: do you stick with the flexibility of ZKVMs, or do you shift toward building custom...

The Future of Bitcoin with Jeff Garzik 18.09.2024

After working with Satoshi in the early years, and almost 15 years of crypto experience, legend Jeff Garzik shares his story in this exclusive interview. Recently, we did an educational deep dive into several teams working on extending Bitcoin with innovative mechanism designs and Bitcoin L2s on Bitcoin and Beyond. This conversation is a phenomenal next episode in that series. Today, Hemi is attem...

The Based Rollup Stack with Spire Labs 17.09.2024

Today, we're unraveling the concept of "based rollups" with The Based Stack from Spire Labs. Spire's framework for building "based appchains" is designed to utilize Ethereum's base layer while offering a whole new level of flexibility and control. At the heart of Spire's offering is the idea of customizable composability. They've developed a way for app deve...

Decentralized AI Panel 16.09.2024

Decentralized AI Panel with: Nick Emmons from Allora Labs Ram from Open Ledger Nav from Ungate AI Vargs from 0G Labs Igor from Rivalz Network Website: https://therollup.co/ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/1P6ZeYd.. Podcast: https://therollup.co/category/podcast Follow us on X: https://www.x.com/therollupco Follow Rob on X: https://www.x.com/robbie_rollup Follow Andy on X: https://www.x.com/...

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