Deb Perelman & J. Kenji López-Alt
The Recipe with Kenji and Deb
Hi, we’re Deb Perelman (Smitten Kitchen) and J. Kenji López-Alt (Serious Eats, The Food Lab, The Wok). We’re professional home cooks, which means we can - and will - make the same meal 57 times in a row on the quest for the perfect recipe. Is it crazy? For us, no, because we do this for a living. But for you? Yes, probably. Which is why you should listen to The Recipe with Kenji and Deb. You'll hear us talk about what goes into writing our recipes — the techniques we test, the ingredients we taste — so that you can be on your way to creating your own perfect recipe. Whether you're cooking meat...
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Deb Perelman & J. Kenji López-Alt
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Apr 13, 2026
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Live from New York: Kenji guests on The Sporkful Live 13.04.2026 41:50
Note from Kenji: "Hey everyone. It's Kenji, and I've got something really fun to share with you today. I was recently a guest for a live taping of The Sporkful. It's a podcast I've been on many times before, and it's hosted by my old friend Dan Pashman. We were joined by the legendary Comic Judy Gold, and we're dropping the episode here so that you can check it out. We got into a whole lot of fun...
Mailbag Part 4 23.06.2025 11:39
In their last episode before book-writing hiatus, Deb and Kenji take your questions, about truly satisfying turkey burgers, no recipe recipes, the correct order of operations for burger, fries, and shake at home, and more. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices
Burgers 09.06.2025 39:42
Deb has fifteen recipes for meatballs on Smitten Kitchen, and exactly one for a meat burger. That does not mean Deb lacks for opinions about burgers, oh no no — she goes head to head with Mr. Burger Lab himself, who has published dozens of burger recipes and guides. Kenji and Deb are in agreement about the one burger type that anyone can make at home just as well as a restaurant. Plus, a special a...
Mailbag Part 3 26.05.2025 15:13
When is it OK to yuck someone’s yum? Garlic and ginger hacks. How to turn your kid into a lifelong cook. Kenji and Deb answer your questions in another mailbag. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices
Eggs Benedict 12.05.2025 33:54
Eggs Benedict should really be called Eggs Benedict Arnold, because it will betray any shortcomings you have as a home cook. You should give it a go anyway. (Kenji: “You CAN and SHOULD make Eggs Benedict at home.”) Why? It’s a dish that all but the best restaurants get right, and you have all but three and a half minutes to shovel it in your mouth before the window closes for the perfect bite. So...
French Toast (with Christopher Kimball) 28.04.2025 39:12
Crisp on the outside, custardy on the inside – this week we’re talking French Toast with special guest Christopher Kimball (Milk Street). Chris joins Kenji and Deb to banter about bread for longer than any podcast ever has (not fact checked) – and how each of them perfects this classic breakfast dish. Plus, Kenji dispels a myth about smoke points! Recipes Mentioned: Carmelized Cinnamon Sugar Fren...
Before Kenji and Deb, there was Lena 14.04.2025 32:30
Deb and Kenji are taking a break this week. Please enjoy this classic episode from our friends at Sidedoor, "America’s Unknown Celebrity Chef". For more information, visit Sidedoor's episode page , and subscribe to Sidedoor on your favorite podcast player . ****************************** When Lena Richard cooked her first chicken on television, she beat Julia Child to the screen by over a decade...
Hummus 31.03.2025 36:19
If the only hummus you’ve ever had came from a cold tub procured at a supermarket, yeah...you haven’t really had hummus. Homemade hummus, served warm, is an experience unto itself, and 1000% a better snack than a dusty protein bar. Deb and Kenji also tell us how they really feel about flavored hummus. Recipes Mentioned: Ethereally Smooth Hummus ( Smitten Kitchen ) The Food Lab’s Science of Great...
Broccoli Cheddar Soup (and something just as money, with Nigel Poor & Earlonne Woods) 17.03.2025 35:39
You’re really only technically eating a vegetable with broccoli cheddar soup — it is insistently not health food, but a giant middle finger to whoever invented the four food groups. It is a “you sure about that?” to the likes of President George HW Bush, who famously and controversially banned broccoli from Air Force One. Plus, we get to the bottom of broccoli vs broccoli rabe vs broccolini, and a...
Crispy Chicken Cutlets 03.03.2025 42:25
Crispy chicken cutlets are endlessly adaptable to taste, so it’s no wonder they are a universal crowd pleaser. From Austrian schnitzel to Japanese katsu to Deb’s mother-in-law’s recipe that leaves out a classic ingredient, there are endless permutations of chicken, flour, egg, breadcrumbs + ??? to satisfy the pickiest eater (and most discerning home cook). Recipes Mentioned: Tonkatsu or Chicken Ka...
Brownies (and something just as iconic, with Kelsey McKinney) 17.02.2025 38:47
Brownies are a diabolical(ly) good cross between cake and cookie. They taste sinfully rich and decadent, but they’re an angel in the kitchen (one bowl recipe alertl!) and they make your house smell like heaven. Plus, we hear Deb and Kenji’s recommendations for the best snacks for gossiping or watching reality TV. Recipes: Glossy Fudge Brownies Recipe (Serious Eats) Olive Oil Brownies (Smitten Kitc...
Nachos (and something just as good, with our EP Audrey) 03.02.2025 45:42
Nachos were invented in a Mexican border town for a group of American ladies who lunch, and now they are considered food for the beer-drinking, football-cheering everyman. They can come piled high with twenty ingredients; a plate of nothing more than chips with melted Velveeta are also considered nachos. Whatever floats your tortilla, Kenji and Deb discuss ways to optimize every bite. Also, our Ex...
Meatballs (Italian-American) 20.01.2025 36:55
If humanity’s gotten you down lately, just keep in mind that our species can’t be that bad… we did invent the meatball after all. This ingenious invention stretches an expensive ingredient by mixing it with pantry staples into a dish that can feed many more people than on its own, while being truly delicious in its own right. Think about it: when meatballs are what’s for dinner, or you see meatbal...
Onion Soup 06.01.2025 42:23
Quiet luxury has been all the rage the past few years, but our girl Onion Soup has been out here epitomizing that s**t for literally hundreds of years. A bag of onions, some butter to sauté it in, beef broth are really all you need; throw in some stale bread and grated cheese, and you’ve got a million-dollar taste for ten dollars and change. (AND it doesn’t take as long as you think. Ask Kenji and...
The Science of Stir-Fry with J. Kenji López-Alt [Milk Street Radio] 30.12.2024 22:48
We are taking a break this week. Please enjoy this classic interview from our friends at Milk Street Radio. For more information, visit Milk Street Radio's homepage , and follow Milk Street Radio on Apple Podcasts . Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices
Bacon Egg & Cheese 16.12.2024 38:38
There comes a point in every New Yorker’s life when they venture outside city limits and learn, to their horror, 24-hour access to breakfast sandwiches via bodegas spaced two blocks apart is not the norm in the rest of the world. When Deb and Kenji start breaking down each component, you will realize that it takes a lot of skill and discernment to a) choose the right ingredients b) prepare them al...
Chicken Soup 02.12.2024 37:19
Chicken soup is the universal comfort food, but there are as many versions of chicken soup as there are planets in the universe. Depending on where and how you grew up, versions as varied as “Jewish penicillin”, phở gà, stracciatella, Campbell’s condensed all mean home to someone. Recipes mentioned: Chicken Noodle Soup ( Smitten Kitchen ) My Ultimate Chicken Noodle Soup ( Smitten Kitchen ) Chicken...
A Smidge of Smitten Kitchen Keepers 25.11.2024 8:15
Congratulations are in order for Deb, who released the audiobook of Smitten Kitchen Keepers earlier this month. We are proud to share with you a little excerpt. Back in 2006, when she was just starting her food journey, she encountered a lot of dud recipes on the internet. (Haven’t we all?) This book is a collection of the ones you’ll want to return to over and over again, aka the keepers. You can...
Apple Pie 18.11.2024 46:04
Things we learn in this episode: Kenji has a not-so-secret secret ingredient for can’t-miss pie crust, Deb is not allowed at Thanksgiving without her pie, the birthplace of Kenji’s love of junk food, the ideal baking apple, why American apple pie reigns supreme. Recipes mentioned: Apple Pie ( Smitten Kitchen ) Even More Perfect Apple Pie ( Smitten Kitchen ) Gooey Apple Pie ( Serious Eats ) Perfect...
Take a Break with Home Cooking 04.11.2024 55:05
Deb and Kenji are taking a break this week. Please enjoy this classic episode from Home Cooking , our fellow Radiotopia show about food. ****************************** According to our callers, a big part of Thanksgiving seems to be making food for your loved ones that you only kind of like yourself. But can we make these dishes a little better for the people cooking them?! We’re gonna try. Plus,...
Popcorn 21.10.2024 37:02
Kenji and Deb are major, MAJOR fans of popcorn — “God’s gift to snacking” (two guesses who said that). One might actually call them a miracle of science. How does a hard af, yellow pebble turn into a fluffy white edible cloud? How does movie popcorn butter smell so heavenly without any butter? This is Popcornology 101, class is now in session. Recipes mentioned: Spicy Caramel Popcorn ( Smitten Kit...
Baked Ziti 07.10.2024 45:00
Kids say the darndest things, and so do Deb and Kenji. “Nobody likes penne.” “Chiffonade is pretentious.” “I have honestly no idea what my recipe contains.” And they’re not the only ones. There are people out there who call baked ziti — get this — lasagna. While baked ziti may be universally loved as a workhorse of catered buffets, potlucks, and meal trains, Deb and Kenji’s takes on the dish are...
Caesar Salad 23.09.2024 43:33
In this episode, Deb and Kenji stop being polite and start getting real. Turns out, they weren’t born with encyclopedic knowledge of food; before each recording session, they consult…Wikipedia. (Stars, they’re just like us.) You may think of Caesar salad as the most ubiquitous of American salads. In fact, Caesar salad was invented in Mexico. However, it was invented by an American for Americans co...
BLT 09.09.2024 45:58
Deb: “This is the perfect sandwich.” Kenji: “This is my favorite sandwich of all time.” In fact, Kenji has gone way beyond just admiring and ingesting the Bacon-Lettuce-Tomato; as Isaac Newton captured the physical world with his laws of motion, Kenji has bestowed us with the 11 rules of the BLT . Deb has made her own significant contributions to the field of sandwich science, with the theory of s...
Back for Seconds 26.08.2024 1:09
Kenji and Deb will be back September 9 with all new episodes. Watch this space! Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices
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