Fred Shackelford, Matt Crawford
The Pastor in the Middle
The Pastor in the Middle is a podcast for pastors seeking to think through ministry issues with grace and nuance. Fred Shackelford and Matt Crawford are both pastor in the Memphis area, Fred at Ellendale Baptist Church and Matt at Trinity Baptist Church. They often feel like they are in the middle, stuck between extreme positions on both sides. Can we find a balanced approach? That’s the goal of “Pastor in the Middle,” our new podcast.
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Fred Shackelford, Matt Crawford
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Latest episode
Nov 26, 2025
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Episodes
PITM Episode 28: Ministering After a Disaster, with Cliff Marion 02.05.2023 41:23
On March 31, 2023, a historic tornado outbreak occurred across the Mid-South, doing particularly devastating damage in Covington, Tennessee. In this episode, Fred and Matt interview their friend Cliff Marion, senior pastor of First Baptist Church of Covington, about the doors of ministry that the Lord opened in the aftermath of those storms.
PITM Episode 27: Creating a Discipleship Culture 25.04.2023 35:02
Evangelism and discipleship go hand-in-hand. In this episode, Fred and Matt talk through ideas for building a culture of discipleship within the local church. Here's the link to an article (referenced in the episode) that Matt wrote for LifeWay Research in 2020: https://research. lifeway.com/2020/06/04/how-to-avoid-sacrificing-evangelism-for-discipleship-and-vice-versa/
PITM Episode 26: Ordinations 18.04.2023 30:14
Fred and Matt discuss the church's ordination processes and ceremonies - both for deacons and for pastors.
PITM Episode 25: Sermon Illustrations 11.04.2023 31:11
Fred and Matt discuss the importance of effective sermon illustrations, as well as methods for collecting, tagging, and utilizing them.
PITM Episode 24: Finding Joy in Ministry 04.04.2023 34:37
Fred and Matt discuss a recent Barna study on pastor's satisfaction in ministry, and then how pastors can find joy in the gift God has given them in ministry. Here's the Baptist Press article mentioned in the episode: https:// www.baptistpress.com/resource-library/news/pastors-satisfaction-certainty-of-call-in-rapid-decline-barna-finds/
PITM Episode 23: Casting Vision in the Local Church, with Dean Inserra 28.03.2023 45:29
Fred and Matt interview special guest Dean Inserra, founding and lead pastor of City Church Tallahassee ( citychurchtallahassee.com ). We discuss casting vision as leaders in the local church.
PITM Episode 22: Theological Education 21.03.2023 39:33
Fred and Matt discuss the importance of theological education for the pastor, as well as pros and cons of different methods of getting that education.
PITM Episode 21: Prayer 14.03.2023 33:48
Fred and Matt discuss the importance of prayer for the Christian in general and the pastor in particular. We share some helpful practices and things we've learned regarding personal and corporate prayer.
PITM Episode 20: Deacons 07.03.2023 33:09
Fred and Matt discuss the biblical role of deacons in the church, as well as ideas on recruiting and developing deacons.
PITM Episode 19: Ordinances, Part 2 (Baptism) 28.02.2023 36:30
Fred and Matt continue their 2-week discussion of the ordinances. This week they address baptism.
PITM Episode 18: Ordinances, Part 1 (Lord's Supper) 21.02.2023 37:03
Fred and Matt start a 2-part series on the ordinances, including a discussion of the concept of theological triage. This week covers the Lord's Supper, with baptism coming next week. Here's a link to the Lord's Supper document Matt uses with his deacons when they take the Lord's Supper to shut-in or homebound church members: https://sermonillustr8r. wordpress.com/2023/02/20/communion-for-the-homeb...
PITM Episode 17: Staff Development 14.02.2023 36:44
Fred and Matt discuss the why and the how of strategies for developing church staff members. Sample staff evaluations mentioned on the podcast can be found at the link below. One is for ministerial staff, and the other is for support/administrative staff. https://sermonillustr8r. wordpress.com/2023/02/13/sample-evaluations-ministerial-and-support-staff-for-pastor-in-the-middle-podcast-episode-17-...
PITM Episode 16: The Pastor's Library 07.02.2023 35:23
Fred and Matt discuss the pastor's reading and the building of a pastoral library. Resources mentioned in the show: 1) LibraryThing.com - a personal library database 2) Daniel Akin's "Building a Theological Library" - https:// www.danielakin.com/pdf-download-building-a-theological-revised-edition-2019/ 3) Bestcommentaries.com - recommendations and rankings of Bible commentaries (Matt accidentally...
PITM Episode 15: Church Facilities 01.02.2023 32:38
Fred and Matt discuss the use of church facilities.
PITM Episode 14: Your First Year as a New Pastor 24.01.2023 31:27
Fred and Matt follow up on their two episodes about pastor search processes with an episode about how to walk through your first year in a new pastorate.
PITM Episode 13: Search Process, Part 2 17.01.2023 27:53
Fred and Matt work through Part 2 of their two-part series on pastor search committees (which is also relevant for ministerial position searches). This second episode is addressed to the candidate. Again, a sample theological and ministry questionnaire for these kinds of searches can be found here: https://sermonillustr8r. wordpress.com/2023/01/08/sample-theological-and-ministry-questionnaire/
PITM Episode 12: Search Process, Part 1 10.01.2023 35:48
Fred and Matt work through Part 1 of two episodes on search committee processes. This first episode is geared to the members of search committees. You can find a sample theological questionnaire for search committees to use here: https://sermonillustr8r. wordpress.com/2023/01/08/sample-theological-and-ministry-questionnaire/
PITM Episode 11: Preaching Planning 03.01.2023 35:05
Fred and Matt discuss their processes for planning preaching, both for individual messages and series. The "Series Map" that Fred and Matt discuss can be found here: https://sermonillustr8r. wordpress.com/2022/12/31/series-map-example-for-pastor-in-the-middle-podcast/
PITM Episode 10: The Pastor's Rest 27.12.2022 35:05
Fred and Matt discuss how they biblically and practically flesh out rest in the life of the pastor.
PITM Episode 9: Christian Celebrity Culture 20.12.2022 31:12
Fred and Matt discuss the issue of putting other Christians on pedestals.
PITM Episode 8: Shepherding Our Families 13.12.2022 32:09
Fred and Matt discuss the pastor's first ministry responsibility.
PITM Episode 7: Big Events 06.12.2022 29:23
Fred and Matt discuss the value of churches using big events for outreach ministry.
PITM Episode 6: Handling Criticism 29.11.2022 29:55
Fred and Matt talk about how a pastor should react to criticism in ministry.
PITM Episode 5: Addressing Difficult Topics 22.11.2022 30:51
Fred and Matt discuss addressing difficult topics as a pastor, both from the pulpit and on social media.
PITM Episode 4: In the Middle of the Church 15.11.2022 28:14
Fred and Matt discuss what it means to be a pastor doing ministry in the middle of your congregation.
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