Fred Shackelford, Matt Crawford

The Pastor in the Middle

Religion EN ↓ 104 episodes

The Pastor in the Middle is a podcast for pastors seeking to think through ministry issues with grace and nuance. Fred Shackelford and Matt Crawford are both pastor in the Memphis area, Fred at Ellendale Baptist Church and Matt at Trinity Baptist Church. They often feel like they are in the middle, stuck between extreme positions on both sides. Can we find a balanced approach? That’s the goal of “Pastor in the Middle,” our new podcast.

Author

Fred Shackelford, Matt Crawford

Category

Religion

Latest episode

Nov 26, 2025

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Episodes

PITM Episode 53: How Can Churches Fight Human Trafficking? (Stephen Robert, COO of One More Child) 24.10.2023

Fred and Matt interview Stephen Robert, the Chief Operating Officer of One More Child ( onemorechild.org ). Among many other ministry objectives, One More Child helps survivors of human trafficking. The episode deals with how individual pastors and churches can join in the fight against this evil.

PITM Episode 52: Worship Service Elements and Order 17.10.2023

Fred and Matt discuss elements for a worship service and the order in which they are placed.

PITM Episode 51: Sermon Time 10.10.2023

Fred and Matt discuss the time involved in preaching - both in sermon prep and in sermon delivery.

PITM Episode 50: Cooperative Ministry, with Mitch Martin 03.10.2023

Fred and Matt welcome Mitch Martin to the podcast. Mitch is the Director of the Mid-South Baptist Association ( midsouthbaptist.com ). This episode covers the blessings, benefits, and missional impact of pastors and churches cooperating together.

PITM Episode 49: Hospital Visits 26.09.2023

Fred and Matt discuss an important aspect of pastoral ministry: visiting people in the hospital.

PITM Episode 48: Your First Steps in Ministry (Part 2) 19.09.2023

In Part 2, Fred and Matt discuss more steps you should consider taking as you begin serving in pastoral ministry - regardless of the type of pastoral role. This episode covers more of things to do once you have actually started in a ministry role.

PITM Episode 47: Your First Steps in Ministry (Part 1) 12.09.2023

Fred and Matt discuss some of the first steps you should consider taking as you begin serving in pastoral ministry - regardless of the type of pastoral role.

PITM Episode 46: Transitioning from a Metro Area to a Small-town Pastorate, with Ben Cowell 05.09.2023

Fred and Matt have Pastor Ben Cowell on the podcast to discuss moving from a large metro area to a pastorate in a small town. Ben Cowell is from Memphis, Tennessee, but he recently transitioned to be the senior pastor at Brownsville Baptist Church in Brownsville, Tennessee.

PITM Episode 45: Staff Meetings 30.08.2023

Fred and Matt discuss the pastor's leadership through staff meetings.

PITM Episode 44: Caring for Pastors, with Dr. Billy Daws 22.08.2023

Fred and Matt interview Dr. Billy Daws, who works with PastorCare ( https:// www.pastorcare.org/ ) - a ministry focused on walking with pastors through the difficulties of ministry. Dr. Daws has over 50 years of ministry experience and has a passion for shepherding the shepherds.

PITM Episode 43: Funerals 15.08.2023

Following their episode last week on weddings, Fred and Matt discuss the pastor's ministry through funerals.

PITM Episode 42: Weddings 08.08.2023

Fred and Matt discuss the pastor's role in weddings.

PITM Episode 41 [REPOST from ep. 11]: Preaching Planning 01.08.2023

[REPOST from ep. 11] Fred and Matt discuss their processes for planning preaching, both for individual messages and series. The "Series Map" that Fred and Matt discuss can be found here: https://sermonillustr8r. wordpress.com/2022/12/31/series-map-example-for-pastor-in-the-middle-podcast/

PITM Episode 40: Preaching Notes 25.07.2023

Fred and Matt discuss how much notes we should use while preaching.

PITM Episode 39: Finishing Well, with Dr. Richard Hipps 18.07.2023

Fred and Matt discuss finishing well in ministry with Dr. Richard Hipps, the Pastor Emeritus at Trinity Baptist Church (where Matt currently serves). Richard served for 17 years at Trinity.

PITM Episode 38: SBC 2023 Recap 11.07.2023

Fred and Matt recap the 2023 Southern Baptist Convention Annual Meeting in New Orleans, Louisiana.

PITM Episode 37 [REPOST from ep. 8]: Shepherding Our Families 04.07.2023

[REPOST FROM EPISODE 8] Fred and Matt discuss the pastor's first ministry responsibility. New episodes resume next week, July 11!

PITM Episode 36 [REPOST from ep. 3]: The Spiritual Life of the Pastor, with Shun Abram 27.06.2023

[REPOST from Episode 3] Back with new material soon!

PITM Episode 35: Homiletical Method, with Reginald Taylor 20.06.2023

PART TWO: Fred and Matt interview Pastor Reginald Taylor of The Rock Church in Memphis. Reginald is writing a PhD dissertation at Midwestern Baptist Theological Seminary on the doctrinal preaching of Adrian Rogers. In this second of a two-part series, Reginald discusses homiletical method.

PITM Episode 34: Hermeneutical Method, with Reginald Taylor 13.06.2023

Fred and Matt interview Pastor Reginald Taylor of The Rock Church in Memphis. Reginald is writing a PhD dissertation at Midwestern Baptist Theological Seminary on the doctrinal preaching of Adrian Rogers. In this first of a two-part series, Reginald discusses hermeneutical method. Here is the link for Dr. Tom Schreiner's book mentioned in this episode: https://www.amazon.com/Interpreting-Pauline-E...

PITM Episode 33: Raising Up Leaders 06.06.2023

Raising up new ministry leaders in the church is part of discipleship and accomplishing the church's mission. In this week's episode, Fred and Matt discuss ways of raising up new leaders in the church.

PITM Episode 32: International Ministry in Your Community, with Dr. Gerson Garros 30.05.2023

Fred and Matt invite Dr. Gerson Garros, Associate Pastor at Trinity Baptist Church in Cordova, Tennessee, onto the podcast to discuss his vision and experience leading international ministries in the city of Memphis.

PITM Episode 31: Discerning God's Will 23.05.2023

Fred and Matt discuss wrestling to discern God's will, for Christians in general and pastors in particular.

PITM Episode 30: Kids in Church 16.05.2023

When kids follow Jesus, they should be treated as full church members. Fred and Matt think through involving kids in church life. Two books mentioned in the episode: 1) https://www.amazon.com/Guard-Preventing-Responding-Child-Church/dp/1939946514/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3BE49YEWE6OGE&keywords=reju+on+guard&qid=1684185874&sprefix=reju+on+guard%2Caps%2C111&sr=8-1 2) This one is FREE on Kindle right now: htt...

PITM Episode 29: Community Involvement 09.05.2023

Fred and Matt discuss ways to show the light of Christ and the gospel through community involvement - both as individuals and as churches.

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