The Pact

Retrospective 2 takes us to the origin of the investigation; where Josh's interest in storytelling evolved into his obsession of needing to know everything. And it started in a surprising place: a bound book of correspondence between two teenage girls and their landlord. What started as comedic found writing, became a mystery that people could not let go. And as Josh made his way through it, while...

To celebrate 10 years in podcasting, we're spending the summer going back in time and both highlighting key episodes and telling the stories behind them; you’ll get new behind-the-scenes information about what was happening in life, in various investigations, and in the world that impacted these important episodes and their podcasts. You’ll learn how Josh started podcasting, how he started investi...

Season finale. This episode was written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark Featuring: Eric Carter-Landin from True Consequences and Crimelines & Consequences Albert Perkins Resources: Religiosity and Attitudes Toward Lesbians and Gay Men: A Meta-Analysis by Bernard E. Whitley Jr. How Religiosity Shapes Rejection of Homosexuals Across the Globe by Dirk-Jan Janssen The New York T...

To better understand Lorenzo and Schweickert, their possible other crimes, and their MOs and victimology, Josh chats with clinical psychologist Dr. Scott (LA Not So Confidential) about killers who work in pairs, BDSM, Antisocial Personality Disorder, psychopathy, narcissism, and how homophobia made their ongoing crimes possible. Plus: The Warrior gene, behavioral drift, Kanye West, Anita Bryant, a...

At trial and at sentencing, Lorenzo's many surviving victims testified against him, including the impactful statements made by Albert Perkins, who Lorenzo kidnapped and assaulted in February of 2000. The testimony and eventual plea deals made by both Schweickert and Lorenzo would provide great insight into their MOs and victimology. But at what cost? Because by some accounts, investigators and the...

Scott Schweickert's house is searched, disturbing photos are found on Steven Lorenzo's computer, more Lorenzo assault victims come forward, someone confesses, and another gay man goes missing. This episode was written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark  With additional research by: Kaz Featuring: • Dr. Scott from LA Not So Confidential • Drew Mackie from Gayest Episode Ever This is...

Steven Lorenzo's friend and accomplice is identified as Scott Schweickert. And the pair's history is revealed through AOL instant messages and a mutual friend. Tampa PD investigate multiple assaults within the Tampa gay community, leading to an arrest and a second search warrant. And the relationship between Steven and Scott gets complicated. This episode was written, researched, edited, and produ...

Steven Lorenzo comes to the forefront of Tampa PD's investigation into the disappearance of Jason Galehouse and the death of Michael Wachholtz. Lorenzo's criminal history leads to a sting operation that ends in a very haunting search of his home, and lists of some very important names. This episode was written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark With additional research by: Kaz Feat...

On December 22, 2003, two gay men were reported missing to Tampa PD. The investigations into their disappearances, would open a Pandora's Box that would force the police, the media, and society to examine how their actions and negligence led to some of Florida's most sinister crimes. This episode was written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark. With additional research by: Kaz. Feat...

Catch up on all things Studio BOTH/AND for the month of February (and beyond). This month's news: • New tours and events • Unsafe Spaces update • The Karen & Ellen Letters update • True Crime Bullsh** update • New projects • Our Americana update • Studio BOTH/AND Launch Party follow-up in The Berkshires this October • What's happening on Patreon this month Links: • True Crime Podcast Festival...

Unsafe Spaces is an investigative, serialized true crime podcast that explores the crimes that take place in the places we’re supposed to feel safest. In Season One: Tampa’s Missing Men, I explore how two different missing persons cases, reported on the same day, opened a Pandora’s Box of unreported assaults, cold missing persons cases, ignored rapes, and unsolved murders within Florida’s gay comm...

Josh is heading out on the road. Catch him at: The True Crime & Paranormal Festival in Austin, Texas (8/26-8/27) www.truecrimepodcastfestival.com A casual Happy Hour in Tampa, Florida (9/10) www.bothand.fyi/tour Obsessed Fest in Dallas, Texas (10/20-10/22) www.obsessedfest.com & Coming Soon: A Studio BOTH/AND Launch Party in North Adams, Mass.

The finale. Written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark. Research assistance by Becca Cline. Music by William Hellfire, Chris Zabriskie, Lee Rosevere, Whithe, and Stacxk.

If you enjoyed The Pact, check out host Josh Hallmark's other investigative deep dive into serial killer Israel Keyes: True Crime Bullsh** www.bothand.fyi www.truecrimebullshit.com www.patreon.com/studiobothand

An examination of the strange relationship and power dynamics between Kelly Cochran and Detective Ogden, reveals new patterns in Kelly's stories and behaviors. Plus, a cumulative overview of what we've learned about Kelly, helps construct an MO and timeline of her crimes. This is a Studio BOTH/AND production: www.pactpodcast.com / www.bothand.fyi For an ad-free experience or to support the show: w...

A look at how sexual abuse may have contributed to Kelly Cochran's life and crimes; and how it may play a role in deciphering her many stories. This is a Studio BOTH/AND production: www.pactpodcast.com / www.bothand.fyi For an ad-free experience or to support the show: www.patreon.com/studiobothand Written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark. Research assistance by Becca Cline. Reso...

An examination of the disparities surrounding the portrayals of men and women in crime, and how Kelly Cochran exploited them. This is a Studio BOTH/AND production: www.pactpodcast.com / www.bothand.fyi For an ad-free experience or to support the show: www.patreon.com/studiobothand Written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark. Research assistance by Becca Cline. Resources include: The...

An exploration into Kelly Cochran's practice of avoidance, her list of trophies, and consistencies in her wildly varying stories, leads to some pretty solid conclusions about Kelly and Jason. This is a Studio BOTH/AND production: www.pactpodcast.com / www.bothand.fyi For an ad-free experience or to support the show: www.patreon.com/studiobothand Written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Ha...

Josh deep-dives the lists of Kelly's and Jason's alleged 32 victims, with some shocking revelations and a whole lot of WTF moments. Next Episode: 28 June 2023 This is a Studio BOTH/AND production: www.pactpodcast.com / www.bothand.fyi For an ad-free experience or to support the show: www.patreon.com/studiobothand Written, researched, and produced by Josh Hallmark Research assistance by Becca Cline...

Kelly's lists of 32 alleged victims lead investigators to find some interesting evidence in Illinois and Minnesota. And Josh begins making sense of Kelly's lists (and lies). Next Episode: 21 June 2023 This is a Studio BOTH/AND production: www.pactpodcast.com / www.bothand.fyi For an ad-free experience or to support the show: www.patreon.com/studiobothand Research assistance by Becca Cline and Mich...

Kelly's brother, Colton, shares some revealing and shocking information with investigators. Kelly discusses her first three murders. And patterns begin to emerge. Next Episode: 14 June 2023 This is a Studio BOTH/AND production: www.pactpodcast.com / www.bothand.fyi For an ad-free experience or to support the show: www.patreon.com/studiobothand Research assistance by Becca Cline. Music by William H...

The Kelly Cochran case files arrive, opening a Pandora's Box of depravity. And during an encounter following Jason's death, Kelly shows Hobart police just how calculating and unhinged she truly is. Next episode: 31 May 2023 This is a Studio BOTH/AND production: www.pactpodcast.com / www.bothand.fyi For an ad-free experience or to support the show: www.patreon.com/studiobothand Research assistance...

Josh goes inside the investigation into Kelly Cochran, revealing new information, new links, and a possible timeline. And the investigation itself raises some important questions about what authorities do and don't know. Next episode: 24 May 2023 This is a Studio BOTH/AND production: www.pactpodcast.com / www.bothand.fyi For an ad-free experience or to support the show: www.patreon.com/studiobotha...

If Laura Frizzo knows Kelly best, then Walt Ammerman probably knew Jason best. We get to know Jason through an interview with friend and eventual informant, Walt. Then we explore Kelly's Facebook and its odd parallels to her crimes, and an unsolved Indiana homicide and its odd parallels to Chris Regan's murder. This is a Studio BOTH/AND production: www.pactpodcast.com / www.bothand.fyi For an ad-f...

She may be the only living person to truly know Kelly Cochran. Laura Frizzo talks the Cochrans, David Thayer, the glass ceiling, and how this case has impacted her life. This is a Studio BOTH/AND production: www.pactpodcast.com / www.bothand.fyi For an ad-free experience or to support the show: www.patreon.com/studiobothand Written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark. Music by Willi...