The Ownership Economy

The Ownership Economy

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Welcome to the Ownership Economy podcast, the podcast that explores the people and ideas that are utilizing technology, economics, and the law to reimagine how the economy can work for everyone. Here we connect with the entrepreneurs, investors, thought-leaders, academics, and politicians that are constructing a better economy, one based on broad-based ownership and democratic governance. Hosted by Martin Smith and Jahed Momand, two investors and operators that aim to use this platform to showcase the people and ideas that will shape more inclusive economies.

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The Ownership Economy

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www.ownershipeconomy.com

Latest episode

Sep 16, 2025

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Episodes

Episode 064 - Building Network Effects in Web3 Enabled Marketplaces with Adam Jackson, Co-Founder and CEO, Braintrust Network 27.07.2023

In this episode of the Ownership Economy, Martin and Jahed connect with Adam Jackson, the Co-Founder and CEO of Braintrust Network. The conversation begins by discussing how to jumpstart network effects in marketplaces using blockchain technologies and marginal stakeholder incentives. Adam then discusses what decentralization really looks like within a web3 labor marketplace, and offers clues and...

Episode 063 - Creating More Value for More Stakeholders with Tools for Collective Decision-Making with Camille Canon of Apiary.xyz 20.07.2023

In episode 063, Jahed sat down with Camille Canon, founder of Apiary.xyz, and previously founder of Purpose Trust. Camille pioneered the Purpose Trust, a trust built for non-charitable purposes, that creates alternatives for SMEs looking to exit their business whose only option before was PE. Camille talks us through insights learned in the legal engineering of purpose trusts, and how she backed i...

Episode 062 - Building an Equitable Ownership Economy: Insights from Dr. Corey Rosen on Employee Ownership and ESOPs 30.06.2023

In this episode of the Ownership Economy podcast, we welcome Dr. Corey Rosen, a champion of employee ownership. Dr. Rosen dives into the shortcomings of the current ownership model, marked by opaque practices and short-term horizons. The conversation shifts to Employee Stock Ownership Plans (ESOPs), outlining their benefits, limitations, and reasons for their non-dominant representation in the eco...

Episode 061 - Why DAOs (and crypto) need a Policy Platform more than ever, with Nathan Schneider 15.06.2023

In this episode of the Ownership Economy, Jahed and Martin welcome back Nathan Schneider, a thought leader who enlightened us on the intricacies of platform cooperatives, DAOs, and the burgeoning Ownership Economy in our 2021 conversation. In this episode, we catch up with Nathan to understand the remarkable transformations that have swept these spaces over the last two years, and how these shifts...

Episode 060 - Expanding Access to Real Estate Ownership with Tokenized Co-living, with Dakotah Apostolou, CEO Cohere Network 02.06.2023

In episode 060, Martin and Jahed sit down with Dakotah Apostolou, CEO of Cohere Network, to learn how Cohere is expanding access to the real estate asset class by tokenizing equity in a global co-living network. In the conversation, we cover Dakotah’s background training as an architect at Taliesin, The School of Architecture started by Frank Lloyd Wright, and how the built environment can be leve...

Episode 059 - Redefining the Social Contract with John Paller: The Rise of DEOs and the Employment Commons 12.05.2023

In this podcast, we explore the evolution of the social contract between employers and employees, discussing how the traditional framework has remained relatively unchanged since the early 1900s, while loyalty as a core belief has largely eroded in modern times. With a predicted 50% of the US labor force participating in freelance and gig work by 2025, the conversation delves into the challenges f...

Episode 058 - Making it Easy for Businesses to Leverage Equity to Drive Value With Stakeholders, with Tyler Morrey of Upside Cooperative 19.04.2023

In episode 058, Jahed & Martin sit down with Tyler Morrey of Upside Cooperative. In the conversation, we cover how difficult it really is for companies to share their equity with a large number of stakeholders, the state of the art for equity ownership for SMEs, ESOPs, and legal structures, and the innovations that Upside Cooperatice is unlocking by making legal innovation broadly accessible w...

Episode 057 - Creating an Equitable Data Economy to Value Ecosystem Services, with David Dao of GainForest 07.04.2023

In this episode, Jahed sits down with David Dao, founder of GainForest and PhD candidate at ETH Zurich, to discuss how GainForest is blazing the trail for valuing natural assets with bottom-up participation of land stewards. In the conversation, we cover what ecosystem services are, how they contribute to the economy, various ownership and property rights regimes for them, and what an equitable fu...

Episode 056 - From Open Access to Carbon Pollution, to Common Pool Resource: Building Carbon Financial Infrastructure with Raph Haupt, CEO Toucan Protocol 24.03.2023

In this episode, Martin and Jahed speak with Raphaël Haupt, co-founder and CEO of Toucan Protocol. In the conversation, they cover the historical arc of the carbon markets, how we got to the market we have today through greenwashing and in some cases fraud, and what Toucan is building to enable transparent and auditable climate finance at scale. They touch on the recent Verra controversy, and how...

Episode 055 - Steward-Ownership, Purpose-Trusts, and Exiting to Community with Zoe Schlag, Co-Founder and Managing Partner at Common Trust 20.03.2023

In this episode of the Ownership Economy podcast, Martin and Jahed speak with Zoe Schlag, a co-founder and Managing Partner at Common Trust. Zoe has spent her career as an entrepreneur and investor. Prior to Common Trust, Zoe served as an Entrepreneur-in-Residence at Eric and Wendy Schmidt’s family office, where she designed and led their Shared Ownership investing. Before that, she was a Managing...

Episode 054 - Creating Value as an Entrepreneur, Investor, and DAO Contributor with Nick Ducoff, Partner at G20 Ventures 10.03.2023

In this episode of the Ownership Economy, we connect with Nick Ducoff, currently a partner at G20 Ventures. Nick started his career as an attorney and quickly shifted into entrepreneurship. We discuss his learnings as an entrepreneur, investor, and DAO contributor and how these roles have impacted his view on creating value. As Nick is currently investing in ventures in the Ownership Economy, entr...

Episode 053 - Balancing Tech and Governance Innovation with Compliance in Building the Ownership Economy, with Sean Lee, co-founder Odsy Network 03.03.2023

In episode 053, Martin and Jahed sit down with Sean Lee, co-founder of Odsy Network, the access control layer for blockchains. In the conversation, Sean covers his extensive experience in the space from working in the early days of the open source economy, realizing the need for economic support and incentive design, and shifting toward web3 models as the CEO of Algorand Foundation. Sean gives an...

Episode 052 -The Profit Paradox, Market Power, and the Fight for Democratic Capitalism with Professor Jan Eeckhout 24.02.2023

In this episode of the Ownership Economy, we connect with Professor Jan Eeckhout, a macroeconomist and labor economist and a Professor of Economics at the University of Pompeu Fabra in Barcelona, Spain. Professor Eeckhout is the author of The Profit Paradox, which explores the secular trend since the 1980s in a consolidation of corporate power in the United States, its impact on labor and market c...

Episode 050 - From MFi to ReFi: Impact Investment Insights and Possibilities, with Tim Rann of Mercy Corps Ventures 10.02.2023

In episode 050, we sit down with Tim Rann, Managing Partner at Mercy Corps Ventures, and dig in to his background building businesses across Afghanistan, Cambodia, and other locales, and how he’s applying his insights in development finance to impact investing at MCV. We cover the opportunities for uniting impact with digital product design, how Tim and the team are thinking of impact with respect...

Episode 049 - Exploring the Promise (and Pitfalls) of Blockchain Technology in International Development, with Erin Grover. 03.02.2023

In episode 049, Martin and Jahed sat down with Erin Grover, who formerly worked in international development in Afghanistan and India, and in investigative journalism, who transitioned into working in web3 in 2016. Erin covers her work on the ground with suppliers as diverse as farmer cooperatives, textile cooperatives, and the governments she worked with to sponsor blockchain projects for traceab...

Episode 048 - Nature-Based Solutions, Natural Assets and the Opportunities and Limits of Blockchain with Dr. Margot Clarvis 27.01.2023

In episode 048, Martin and Jahed sit down with Dr. Margot Clarvis, PhD, an environmental scientist working in the field of nature-based solutions (NbS), interfacing with the growing natural asset and carbon markets. In the course of the episode, Margot speaks to the trends that are at work turning nature into an ownable asset class with revenue potential, who the various stakeholders in the NbS sp...

Episode 047 - Virtual On-Chain Option Plans and Early Stage Venture Approaches to Ownership Allocations: A Conversation with Sascha Kellert from Ownco and Jessica Van Meir from Mintstars 23.01.2023

In this episode of the Ownership Economy, we check back in with Sascha Kellert from Ownco and Jessica van Meir from Mintstars for an update on their progress. Sascha walks us his new model for Virtual On-Chain Option Plans and discusses how an initial ten organizations are using the plan in practice. We then dive into how both entrepreneurs are thinking about shared ownership and governance progra...

Episode 46 - Fixing a Broken Refund and Resell Market for Property Bookings: TripsTrade, with Stephen Martin 14.01.2023

In this episode of the Ownership Economy, we speak with Stephen Martin from TripsTrade. Steve comes from a background in the property rental market, a $2.3 trillion industry. Along with his co-founder Petro Sideris, Steve is working to build a new model for short-term property rentals, like vacations and hotel bookings. We all have at one point or another had to cancel a booking without a refund....

Episode 45 - Multiscale Energy Coordination as a Global Public Good: The Plurigrid Project, with Amber Case 14.01.2023

In this episode, we sit down with Amber Case of the Plurigrid project. In the conversation, we talk about the intersection of open source software economic models, cybernetics, anthropology, and how combining the three can open up new possibilities in distributed energy resources management and distributed, resilient, microgrids. We hope you enjoy the episode.

Episode 044 - Breaking the Crypto Trilemma: How to Make Decentralization Work with Development Economist and Algorand Foundation CEO Staci Warden 09.12.2022

In this episode of the Ownership Economy, we speak with Staci Warden, the CEO of the Algorand Foundation. Staci previously ran the Center for Financial Markets at the Milken Institute, and before that worked as an executive at JPMorgan and Nasdaq. She started her career as a development economist at the United States Department of the Treasury. In the episode, we discuss how Algorand works, it’s u...

Episode 043 - Challenges in Structuring and Scaling Early Cooperatives: A Deep Drive on Seed-Stage Asset+Labor Cooperative Marketplace with Alissa Orlando 02.12.2022

In this week’s episode of the Ownership Economy, we brought on Alissa Orlando, a co-founder of the Driver’s Cooperative, to discuss her experience in helping to build the company from the ground up. We go a bit deeper into Alissa’s motivations and expectations in setting up the cooperative and how things played out over the first 18 months. This episode will be highly relevant for entrepreneurs th...

Episode 042 - Social and Economic Dynamics in DAOs: A Conversation with Reka Macy from Guild.xyz 30.11.2022

In this episode of the Ownership Economy, Jahed and Martin speak with Reka Macy from Guild.xyz and Agora. The conversation discusses token gating, guilds, and other interesting aspects of DAOs and the future of work. We hope you enjoy the episode.

Episode 041 - The Cosmos Network, Collaborative Finance (Co-Fi), and the Empowerment of Monetary Localism with Cosmos Co-Founder Ethan Buchman 18.11.2022

In this episode of the Ownership Economy, Jahed and Martin connect with Ethan Buchman, Co-Founder of Cosmos and Tendermint and current CEO of Informal Systems, a worker-owned cooperative that develops software for Cosmos Network. Ethan walks us through how the architecture of Cosmos is powering a multi-chain, or multiple blockchain, future with interoperability as its core. The discussion then mov...

Episode 040 - Building a Better OnlyFans: Labor Rights, Empowerment, and the Mintstars Business Model with Jessica Van Meir 11.11.2022

In this episode of the Ownership Economy, we speak with Jessica Van Meir, Co-Founder and COO of  Mintstars. Mintstars aims to build a more sustainable creator economy that puts creators first. The team is  building a platform to combine non-fungible token subscriptions with marketplace resales. Fans subscribe to receive content and the NFT model allows for value to accrue via restriction...

Episode 039 - Building a Stakeholder Co-Owned and Governed Pipeline of Novel Therapeutics: Tyler Golato on Molecule Protocol and Decentralized Science 04.11.2022

In this episode of the Ownership Economy, we speak with Molecule Protocol’s Co-Founder and Chief Scientific Officer Tyler Golato. Molecule is creating collaborative ecosystems, where stakeholders in drug development can work together to expedite the process of bringing novel therapeutics to patients. The company is connecting leading researchers to funding by turning intellectual property and its...

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