Issues in Science and Technology
The Ongoing Transformation
The Ongoing Transformation is a biweekly podcast featuring conversations about science, technology, policy, and society. We talk with interesting thinkers—leading researchers, artists, policymakers, social theorists, and other luminaries—about the ways new knowledge transforms our world. This podcast is presented by Issues in Science and Technology, a journal published by Arizona State University and the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine. Visit issues.org and contact us at podcast@issues.org.
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Oct 6, 2026
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Wyoming’s Answer to Why Data Centers 06.10.2026 37:42
As data centers have become a national political issue, they have been accused of many things, including “ breaking American politics .” However, deliberation over proposals for data center construction plays out at the community level, often with significantly more nuance. Although city and state governments are under pressure to make the local benefits of development visible, they must search fo...
How Community Colleges are Pioneering AI Education 22.09.2026 29:31
Artificial intelligence is reshaping work, leaving many people wondering how to gain the skills they need to keep up with a rapidly changing world. Now, a group of American community colleges is working to democratize AI education and prepare students for the future. On this episode, host Sara Frueh is joined by Antonio Delgado , vice president of innovation and technology partnerships at Miami-Da...
Local Research for Local Problems 08.09.2026 47:25
Since World War II, federal funding has been the central driver of American scientific research. Recently, a state-based model for research shows how local research could be used to solve local problems. On this episode, host Lisa Margonelli is joined by Jeffrey Warren , executive director of the North Carolina Collaboratory . About ten years ago, the North Carolina legislature created a way to...
Introducing “Lab Coat Optional” 18.08.2026 44:31
The Ongoing Transformation will be back soon! In the meantime, we’re bringing you an episode of a podcast we all enjoy: Lab Coat Optional , which is produced by Arizona State University’s Knowledge Enterprise. The podcast looks at research, the people behind it and why it matters. In this episode , Nadya Bliss — executive director of ASU’s Advanced Capabilities for National Security Institute — e...
Introducing “10X Conversations” 04.08.2026 42:45
The Ongoing Transformation will be back soon! In the meantime, we’re bringing you an episode of a podcast we all enjoy: 10X Conversations . The podcast examines pressing issues affecting communities along the U.S. Interstate 10 corridor from Jacksonville, Florida to Los Angeles, California and how these challenges provide a lens into what the future may bring for the rest of the country. In this e...
Making Sure Open Science Stays Open 16.06.2026 37:39
There was a time when everything on the internet seemed like it would be there forever, whether a Facebook status or a government website. But today the prospect of maintaining massive amounts of digital history is in doubt. This poses a particular issue for the open science movement, which has advocated for wide access to scientific data and papers over the last 25 years. The movement’s successes...
Mary Woolley Advocates for American Research 02.06.2026 29:42
On Science Policy IRL , we talk to people in science policy about what they do and how they got there. In this installment, host Josh Trapani talks to Mary Woolley about leading Research! America for 35 years. During her tenure, Research! America grew into a major research advocacy organization and helped advocate for many changes, including doubling the budget of the National Institutes of Health...
You Have 9,870 Unread Messages 19.05.2026 22:17
Spam represents nearly half of all global email traffic, from obnoxious ads to dire warnings of impending account closures to absurd invitations to join the Illuminati (just ask our podcast producer). It is a constant, annoying part of online life, but does it have to be that way?. Understanding the efforts to address spam in the early 2000s offers lessons for how we might regulate technologies su...
Kumar Garg Funds Ideas That Are “Big, if True” 05.05.2026 25:44
On Science Policy IRL , we talk to people in science policy about what they do and how they got there. In this installment, we’re exploring how science policy works from both inside and outside the government. Host Monya Baker is joined by Kumar Garg , president of Renaissance Philanthropy, an organization that helps philanthropists support science, technology and innovation. Prior to joining Ren...
Untangling the “Cosmic Coincidence” of the Job Market 21.04.2026 27:07
How do people find good jobs? How do employers find good talent? How should the American economy prepare for the future of work in the age of artificial intelligence? On this episode, Issues editor Molly Galvin talks to Burning Glass Institute president Matt Sigelman about these questions. Sigelman spent two decades developing the field of real-time labor market data as CEO and then chairman of a...
The Future of Making Babies 07.04.2026 20:35
Assistive reproductive technologies such as in vitro fertilization have helped many people have children. Behind many of these births are egg donors, whose experiences remain largely invisible in public narratives and scholarship. As reproductive technologies change—along with the ethical and policy challenges they raise—the role of egg donors will too. On this episode, host Jason Lloyd is joined...
Edward You Protected America From Bioterror 24.03.2026 43:47
On Science Policy IRL , we talk to people in science policy about what they do and how they got there. Most of the people we’ve interviewed work in the legislative branch of the federal government or in agencies in the executive branch. In this installment, we’re going to an unexpected place for science policy: the Federal Bureau of Investigation. Host Lisa Margonelli is joined by Edward You , wh...
Building a Tech Innovation Ecosystem in Newark 03.03.2026 33:18
Innovation lately feels synonymous with the digital entrepreneurs of Silicon Valley or the high-tech corridor of Route 128 outside Boston. But when Thomas Edison opened his first research lab in the 1870s, it was in Newark, New Jersey. A few years later, in nearby Menlo Park, he invented the light bulb. Now, Newark is working to build a new, inclusive tech innovation ecosystem that goes beyond thi...
Who Sets the Standard? 17.02.2026 31:28
What do the design of high-visibility public safety vests, the distance between two railroad tracks, and the protocols that allow for file transfers between devices have in common? Each is determined by a technical standard set through a process coordinated by a private, non-profit organization called the American National Standards Institute (ANSI). Technical standards are behind most of the prod...
How Cannabis Regulation Became a Giant Experiment 03.02.2026 31:31
Cannabis policy in the United States has been, in many ways, a giant experiment. The drug was recently reclassified by the Trump administration from a Schedule I to a Schedule III drug, but remains federally illegal. On the state level, cannabis’s availability to patients and consumers has been determined by voters, not by scientists and regulators. Each state has a different approach to cannabis...
How Is AI Shaping the Future of Work? 13.01.2026 31:36
For as long as people have speculated about the development of artificial intelligence, they have debated its potential impacts on the labor market. Today, several years into widespread use of large language models, those questions are more urgent, but the answers are less clear. Is AI already taking jobs away? Could human beings flourish in a world in which they no longer have to perform economic...
Science Policy IRL: Bhavya Lal Charts a Future for Humans in Space 09.12.2025 30:41
On Science Policy IRL , we talk to people in science policy about what they do and how they got there. In this installment, host Lisa Margonelli talks to Bhavya Lal about the trajectory of her career. Lal began as a nuclear engineer, then completed a midcareer PhD and began to work in science policy. A few years in, she decided to specialize in space policy—which is when things really started to g...
Making AI Chatbots Safer 25.11.2025 32:43
Artificial intelligence assistants such as Google’s Gemini have exploded in popularity, constantly offering to help summarize a document, craft an email response, or answer a question. AI chatbots take this even further. These chatbots—sometimes called AI companions—generate conversations with users, and because they “remember” interactions and modulate their responses, they can appear, at times,...
Not Now, But Soon: The Art of Portraying War 11.11.2025 22:11
Our miniseries Not Now, But Soon challenges the stories we often tell about disasters and explores how we can use speculative fiction to create better futures and policies. On our final episode of this season, host Malka Older examines the role art and fiction play in understanding war. She talks with art and culture historian Brigitte van der Sande , who has spent 25 years studying how war is rep...
Not Now, But Soon: Losing Your Country 28.10.2025 20:40
Our miniseries Not Now, But Soon challenges the stories we often tell about disasters and explores how we can use speculative fiction to create better futures and policies. On this episode, host Malka Older is joined by Nasir Andisha , ambassador and permanent representative of Afghanistan to the United Nations, to reimagine Afghanistan and the stories we tell about its past, present, and future....
Not Now, But Soon: Who is Worth Measuring? 14.10.2025 20:18
Our miniseries Not Now, But Soon challenges the stories we often tell about disasters and explores how we can use speculative fiction to create better futures and policies. On this episode, host Malka Older examines the stories behind statistics with Julisa Tambunan , deputy executive director of Equal Measures 2030, a global feminist coalition. Tambunan uses data to advocate for policies that cen...
Not Now, But Soon: The Food System is Rigged 30.09.2025 20:00
Our miniseries Not Now, But Soon challenges the stories we often tell about disasters and explores how we can use speculative fiction to create better futures and policies. On this episode, host Malka Older explores food systems with investigative journalist Thin Lei Win . Win shares her experience growing up in Myanmar, and how that has shaped how she sees the intersection between food productio...
Not Now, But Soon: A Hurricane of Data 16.09.2025 27:40
Our new miniseries, Not Now, But Soon , challenges the stories we often tell about disasters, and explores how we can use speculative fiction to create better futures and policies. On our first episode, host Malka Older talks to Steven Gonzalez , an anthropologist of technology who researches the human labor behind data centers. Gonzalez is also a speculative fiction writer under the byline E. G....
Not Now, But Soon 26.08.2025 9:53
Why do disasters happen? How do we rebuild after a disaster? What lessons can we learn from them? Our new miniseries, Not Now, But Soon , challenges the stories we often tell about disasters, and explores how we can use speculative fiction to create better futures and policies. In this trailer episode, Lisa Margonelli introduces miniseries host Malka Older , an author, humanitarian aid worker, an...
What Does a Cormorant Feel? 01.07.2025 28:40
People know that their pets are unique individuals. Each dog has his or her own quirks, likes, and dislikes. But what about cormorants? Research reveals that wild animals are just as uniquely individual as our pets. Rats show empathy. Crows can hold grudges. Even termites have different personalities. What would it mean if society took animal intelligence and self-awareness seriously? Lisa Margon...
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