Octus
The Octus Download
The Octus Download delivers bold, unfiltered conversations that break down complex financial markets while connecting them to the world we actually live in. Hosted by Jason Sanjana & Kevin Eckhardt, this bi-weekly podcast cuts through the noise with insightful analysis, expert interviews, and just the right amount of personality. Each episode explores major trends in credit markets, dives deep into corporate finance, unpacks financial chaos, and examines how these developments impact both Wall Street and Main Street. But we don’t stop at the numbers we also explore the cultural forces shaping...
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Episodes
EP 32 | Sleep Number Hits Snooze, A Camp Empire Files & The Devil Debt Collector 18.06.2026 46:35
Jason Sanjana & Kevin Eckhardt open on Sleep Number, the smart mattress maker that dialed itself into Chapter 11 (02:07). The stock dropped 70 percent, the equity is underwater, and strategic partner Travis Kelce bought his stake on the open market months before the filing. Kevin floats a theory about who actually buys these beds. The numbers tell a sadder story (04:02), and there is a Canadia...
EP 31 | Michael Gatto on Distressed Debt, Caesars Goes Private & The Tom Clancy Debate 10.06.2026 1:04:49
Michael Gatto, partner at Silver Point Capital and adjunct professor at Columbia Business School and Fordham's Gabelli School of Business, joins at (02:12) to talk teaching, distressed investing, and how he went from a firm running $120 million to a $50 billion shop as its first non founder partner. He makes the case for hiring the gritty Fordham underdog over the Ivy pedigree, and explains why cr...
EP 30 | Meme Stock M&A, Del Monte’s Peaches & Supreme Court Fight Club 19.05.2026 49:09
Some weeks the news is weird. This week it is weird, litigious, and somehow involves 420,000 uprooted peach trees. Jason Sanjana & Kevin Eckhardt open with Ryan Cohen's unsolicited, non binding offer to acquire eBay for $125 a share in a cash and stock deal (04:16), a bid that valued the target at roughly $56 billion from a company with a $12 billion market cap. Cohen showed up on Squawk Box i...
EP 29 | Spirit's Final Flight, AMC Hangs On & The Parent Trap 07.05.2026 53:32
Some companies die because the math was never going to work. Spirit, AMC, and fire truck pricing all make that case differently. Jason Sanjana and Kevin Eckhardt open with an emergency segment on Spirit Airlines (02:31), which ceased all operations on May 2nd after 34 years, 17,000 jobs, and a wind-down that happened overnight. Kevin, who covered the case at Octus, walks through why the Twitter na...
EP 28 | BDC Trust Gap, Carl's Jr. Collapse & The Pitt 23.04.2026 57:14
Private credit was supposed to be boring. This episode makes the case that boring just got complicated. Jason Sanjana & Kevin Eckhardt open with a cruise recap and the $80 million law firm hire that broke the internet before bringing in Mark Fischer ,, Head of Financial Research at Octus (08:17). He breaks down why private credit is facing its first genuine stress test. Not COVID, not rate hik...
EP 27 | Vail's Avalanche, 'We Listen But We Don't Judge' & Love Story's Crash Landing 08.04.2026 50:51
Jason Sanjana and Kevin Eckhardt open with the shot heard round the NCAA Tournament (00:01:32)Braylon Mullins' 35 foot buzzer beater that completed a 19 point UConn comeback to stun No. 1 overall seed Duke 73 to 72 in the Elite Eight. Jason confesses to rewatching the postgame press conference on repeat, Kevin sets aside his Syracuse era UConn hatred to celebrate, and the two trade stories about h...
EP 26 | Whiskey Barrels, FanDuel's Cable Collapse & Sentimental Value 01.04.2026 43:27
Jason Sanjana and Kevin Eckhardt open with a quick catch-up (00:01:28) as Jason recounts a family ski trip to Vail that devolved into a flu-ridden disaster, complete with an urgent care visit and altitude-amplified misery. They flag a programming note: this episode was recorded before CEO Kent Collier's episode aired, so the timeline is slightly off from the news cycle. From there (00:04:02), the...
EP 25 | Kent Collier SaaS Survival Guide & the JFK Jr. Love Story 05.03.2026 49:02
Jason Sanjana and Kevin Eckhardt open with a discussion about JFK Jr.’s bar exam struggles, using it as a jumping-off point for a conversation about pressure, public expectations, and how high-profile figures are judged when they stumble. At (08:14), Kent Collier, Founder and CEO of Octus, joins the show to outline his contrarian view on the recent panic around private credit and software companie...
EP 24 | Fat Brands Bankruptcy, Minivan Comeback, and Eddie Bauer’s Cost of Aging 10.02.2026 41:22
Jason Sanjana and Kevin Eckhardt open in Houston bankruptcy court (00:02:20) with Fat Brands’ Chapter 11 filing, breaking down how an aggressive whole business securitization spiraled into allegations of self-help, insider loans, and lender revolt (00:09:45). The core problem was structural: roughly $1.5M a month in management fees against nearly $8M in real operating costs, a model that only work...
EP 23 | Saks Bankruptcy, Detroit’s EV Hangover & Bugonia vs. AI Slop 29.01.2026 45:45
Season 2 is back Jason Sanjana & Kevin Eckhardt open with a quick life update, then the warm up turns into a real world bankrupt brand mishap when Jason gets bamboozled over the break by a distant bankruptcy friend, Party City, and suddenly a normal errand becomes a reminder that nothing is safe (00:03:14). The main event kicks off when the guys move from that moment into the headline story, S...
EP 22 | Judge Michael B. Kaplan, Vegas Squeeze & the First Brands Conspiracy 24.12.2025 1:09:30
In this season finale of The Octus Download , hosts Jason Sanjana and Kevin Eckhardt are joined by the Honorable Michael B. Kaplan, U.S. Bankruptcy Judge for the District of New Jersey, for a candid look at how bankruptcy actually works from inside the courtroom. After settling the long-running debate over whether Central Jersey exists (00:03:54), Judge Kaplan explains how judges evaluate feasibil...
EP 21 | How Bankruptcy Really Works: Inside the System with Josh Sussberg 10.12.2025 31:24
Jason Sanjana & Kevin Eckhardt open the episode from the Octus studio (00:00:06) and quickly bring in their guest, Josh Sussberg of Kirkland & Ellis (00:01:04). The conversation begins with Sussberg’s early ambition to become a sports journalist and his time at Syracuse University’s Newhouse School (00:01:55), before an almost accidental pivot into law. By (00:03:47), he explains how rotat...
EP 20 | Sonder’s Chapter 7 Meltdown, Meta’s Scam Economy & The Pluribus Hive 18.11.2025 44:39
Jason Sanjana and Kevin Eckhardt open with Sonder’s spectacular implosion, where a Chapter 7 filing and a broken Marriott integration turned hotel stays into evacuation drills. At (02:45), they unpack why guests were kicked out mid stay, how the deal fell apart, and why travel bankruptcies always hit consumers the hardest. At (12:07), they turn to Meta’s scam economy. Fake celebrity ads, counterfe...
EP 19 | MTV Ridiculousness, Starlink Takes Orbit & The Recession Hot Dog 05.11.2025 54:01
Jason Sanjana and Kevin Eckhardt open with the bankruptcy of MTV’s Ridiculousness , the show that turned cultural decline into a business model. Thrill Intermediate LLC is in Chapter 11 after fourteen years and forty-six seasons, and Bloomberg’s sloppy redaction reveals Rob Dyrdek earning more than thirty-two million dollars a year. The hosts break down how a show built from recycled clips became...
EP 18 | First Brands’ $2B Vanish, Publishers Clearing House Bankruptcy & Paul Thomas Anderson’s America 21.10.2025 50:53
Jason Sanjana and Kevin Eckhardt open with the kind of week that makes “crisis” sound quaint. First Brands’ auto parts empire gets gutted by a refinancing gone sideways, two billion dollars missing, and more double-pledged inventory than a payday loan strip mall. With founder Patrick James shown the door and CRO Charles Morris dragged off the bench (01:58), the pair dissect how nine billion in cre...
EP 17 | First Brands Collapses, Argentina’s $20B Lifeline, and Why Failure Wins 07.10.2025 44:42
Jason Sanjana and Kevin Eckhardt open with the collapse of First Brands (02:26), the autoparts empire that ran on borrowed cash until the music stopped. Once a $6 billion capital structure with 20 acquisitions since 2018, the company unraveled after a failed refinancing, a missing quality-of-earnings report, and an expensive dependence on factoring. Skylar Chen, Senior Reporter at Octus, joins (04...
EP 16 | Tricolor Collapse, QVC’s TikTok Gamble & Kawhi Fallout 24.09.2025 57:53
Jason Sanjana and Kevin Eckhardt open in Dallas with the collapse of Tricolor Auto Group (02:58). Once a major subprime auto lender and used car chain catering to Hispanic communities across the Southwest, Tricolor filed Chapter 7 overnight, shuttering 65 dealerships. Allegations of double-pledged collateral, warehouse loan defaults, and immigration policy headwinds turned a growth story into a su...
EP 15 | Kawhi Leonard in Bankruptcy Court, Spirit on the Brink, and Disqualified Counsel Provisions 16.09.2025 1:12:53
Jason Sanjana and Kevin Eckhardt open in Los Angeles with the biggest sports bankruptcy crossover in years (02:58). NBA star Kawhi Leonard faces scrutiny over a $28 million endorsement deal with now bankrupt tree planting company Aspiration Partners (CTN Holdings). What began as a standard corporate restructuring has turned into a potential salary cap circumvention scandal involving the LA Clipper...
EP 14 | Uncle Nearest Fallout, Stoli Valuations, K-Pop Demons and Dad Core 02.09.2025 48:55
Jason Sanjana and Kevin Eckhardt open in Tennessee with Uncle Nearest Premium Whiskey 's court-ordered receivership. What began as a celebrated brand story has turned into missing collateral, questionable accounting, and a Martha's Vineyard real estate controversy. Fawn Weaver faces accusations of overstating barrel inventory by $21 million, transferring assets improperly, and violating gag orders...
EP 13 | Dolphins in Court, Vegas on the Edge, and the Mailman 19.08.2025 56:09
Jason Sanjana and Kevin Eckhardt open in Florida with the bankruptcy of the Miami Seaquarium, owned by Mexico-based The Dolphin Company. What began as a typical debt-fueled acquisition has spiraled into one of the most contentious Chapter 11 cases of the year. Former CEO Eduardo Albor is accused of obstructing the current management, withholding company records, defying court orders, and even engi...
EP 12 | Brightline Trains, Credit Scores & Coldplay Confusion 06.08.2025 46:56
This week, Jason Sanjana and Kevin Eckhardt dive into the financial and legal mess behind Brightline, the private high-speed rail system that’s taken on billions in debt while becoming the deadliest passenger train in America. They explore Fortress’s role, Florida’s rail history, and why local governments are now being asked to help foot the bill (00:36). Then it’s Buy Now Pay Later’s move into cr...
EP 11 | Del Monte in the Can, Consumer Spending’s Tapped & The IP Is Out of Ideas 23.07.2025 50:30
This week on The Octus Download , Jason and Kevin start with the bankruptcy of the week Del Monte (01:06) a 138-year-old brand now reduced to DIP fights Honorable Judge Michael B. Kaplan, and a TikTok-fueled wave of canned-fruit nostalgia. They unpack the LME-to-Chapter 11 pipeline and how the case became a referendum on DIP fees, minority lender fights, and the illusion of urgency in modern restr...
EP 10 | Social Security, Chicken Sandwiches & $10B Lakers Math 09.07.2025 46:50
Jason Sanjana and Kevin Eckhart kick off with the three words haunting every American retirement plan: Social Security shortfall. They unpack the insolvency date, demographic headwinds, trillion-dollar investment fantasies, and why Twitter’s sovereign wealth fund bros need to chill (01:30). Then it’s a check-in on bankruptcy’s greatest hits Purdue, Stoli, Hooters, and Red Lobster and how restructu...
EP 09 | Wildfires, Yale’s $6B Exit & the Emotional Therapy of Stick 25.06.2025 56:40
Hedge funds are clashing with California regulators over wildfire subrogation claims and the fallout could reshape how distressed assets interact with public recovery funds. Jason and Kevin unpack the PG&E playbook, state-level backlash, and who’s really getting paid (01:30). Then Yale’s $6B endowment unwind takes center stage, as the Ivy League titan quietly tests the secondaries market with...
EP 08 | Klarna Bought the Groceries, Saks Lost the Plot, TikTok Called a Recession 11.06.2025 44:21
This week’s economy? Klarna-fried. Retail? Collapsing in real time. Streaming? Somehow deep. Let’s go. (00:57) Buy Now, Cry Later The Klarna-core economy is here. Jason and Kevin unpack how buy-now-pay-later went from sneakers to cereal—and what that says about consumer debt, regulators, and late-stage capitalism. (07:56) Debt Securitization & Swedish Financial Trust How Klarna’s securitized b...
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