Doug and Drew
The Next Trip - An Aviation and Travel Podcast
The Next Trip is a weekly, internationally acclaimed podcast with aviation insiders Doug and Drew, who together bring more than 40 years of industry experience as a professional pilot and a hub operations manager at a major airline. Join them, and their frequent guests, as they create a network for other AvGeeks and travel enthusiasts to obsess about all things aviation. Doug and Drew discuss today’s aviation news, share personal operational stories, regale listeners with trip reviews, and engage in friendly AvGeek banter. All thoughts and opinions are their own. Visit us at www.nexttripnetwor...
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Jul 6, 2026
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Episodes
Boarding Pass 195: Back to Work! 21.08.2023 1:11:19
Send us Fan Mail Doug is flying the line again and Drew is transitioning to AM shift. We talk about one of our favorite cities, Heathrow…sorry, London, where Doug just did a 24hr turnaround. Also on this episode Sensational news articles Runway incursions and San Diego's single runway Delta buys corporate jet operator, Wheels Up Airlines keep adding premium seats Air India livery….hero (wi...
Boarding Pass 194: Turnaround Time with Oscar Munoz 15.08.2023 1:01:53
Send us Fan Mail Doug and Drew interview Oscar Munoz, recent CEO and Chairman of United Airlines. Oscar talks about how he turned around a major US airline and put it on a path to success. We talk about his new book “Turnaround Time” which chronicles his life and career and fulfilling his American dream. Oscar discusses with us: How he put safety and people first as he turned United around Oscar’s...
Boarding Pass 193: Not Without My... 07.08.2023 48:10
Send us Fan Mail Drew is having a difficult work week while Doug is just as busy on his time off. On this episode we discuss: Some US airlines are seeing a clear drop in domestic demand. Will international demand supplement the drop? European carriers, including Ryanair, continue to see strong load factors Wizz Air orders 75 A321neos and American is looking of 100 narrowbodies After a customer ope...
Boarding Pass 192: Move Team & Oshkosh 31.07.2023 1:00:20
Send us Fan Mail Patrick from the Move Team at Drew’s Airport joins us to talk about moving multi-million dollar aircraft and being the rescue crew for aircraft in need. He is also fresh from EAA Oshkosh! On this episode we discuss PW1000G engine inspections The NASA/Boeing TTBW or X66 future airliner UPS workers new contract Join the discussion! https://www.nexttripnetwork.com/podcast/72dj82h...
Boarding Pass 191: Hobson's Choice 24.07.2023 49:01
Send us Fan Mail Doug gets to fly the KC46 (for real, not simulator) and discusses the similarities with the 777. Drew is in peak Summer airport operations and working to keep things moving. On this episode we discuss: Congress shows bipartisanship buy signing the FAA reauthorization bill An escape slide escapes from a 767-300 Delta, United, and American 2nd quarter results Pilots, flight attend...
Boarding Pass 190: Straight to the Points 17.07.2023 1:06:48
Send us Fan Mail Spencer Howard of Straight To The Points , a must-have premium travel resource, joins us this week. We discuss how he left a career in politics to follow his passion which has taken him around the world in luxury. We were also able to confirm that Spencer is an avgeek….at least we think he is, you decide. Spencer also discusses with us: Skiplagging - but is it legal? LAX airport w...
Boarding Pass 189: Francis Takes On ARFF 10.07.2023 47:31
Send us Fan Mail Next Trip Public Enemy #1, airport ops supervisor Francis, joins Drew on a widebody transcon trip from DC to LAX. We visit Next Trip public enemy #2, Aaron, and regale Doug about planes, Hollywood, and ARFF of course. In this episode: ARFF, aircraft rescue and fire fighting PFAS (forever chemicals) in fire fighting foam Jetblue leaving Northeast Alliance, AA: “not so fast" Sp...
Boarding Pass 188: Pack Your Patience 03.07.2023 54:16
Send us Fan Mail Doug and Drew comiserate with each other and travelers after a rough week at the airlines. We talk about what happened with the weather and ATC and the difficulties of recovering after hundreds of planes and thousands of crewmembers are displaced. We also discuss: Let’s stop calling it revenge travel - its just travel, and its growing Mexican airlines are ready to expand as soon...
Boarding Pass 187: Paris 2023 26.06.2023 1:05:08
Send us Fan Mail Drew has a rough week with nights ending up at IHOP and not Jimmy’s (we’ll explain) and Doug is on a soccer dad break from KC46 training. On this episode we discuss Paris Airshow begins Indigo has a record 500 plane order, Qantas orders the A220 to replace the 717, Phillipine Airlines orders A350’s Boeing and Airbus forecast the need for 40,000+ planes in the next 20 years Spirit...
Boarding Pass 186: Sliding into the Week 19.06.2023 55:21
Send us Fan Mail Drew talks about managing throught the Summer flight schedule and Doug is getting ready to head back to training, this time in Altus, Oklahoma, the middle of nowhere. Is it really the middle of nowhere though? Drew does some research and finds goat petting, corn shucking, and axe throwing to keep Doug occupied. We also discuss: Spirit Aerosystems and the IAM reach a tentative agre...
Boarding Pass 185: DB Cooper 12.06.2023 55:36
Send us Fan Mail Doug is back in California for a break from KC46 training and Drew is managing through the crazy busy Summer flght schedule. We touch on the Air India diversion to Siberia and SFO go-arounds drama before we head down memory taxi lane with a look back at the Boeing 727. Also on this episode: SAS opens up reservations on the first electric airliner - the Heart ES 30 B52 Stratofortre...
Boarding Pass 184: Brushwing Rising in HKG 05.06.2023 56:52
Send us Fan Mail Cathay Pacific ’s Senior VP, Americas, Chris van den Hooven joins us as his carrier bounces back from Covid19. China’s “zero covid” policy has kept Cathay Pacific out of the resurgent Asian travel market but now, with restrictions lifted, the sky’s the limit. Also on this episode: We look at rising traffic volumes in Asia China’s first large jet, the COMAC C919, starts commercial...
Boarding Pass 183: Air Capital of the World 29.05.2023 1:20:56
Send us Fan Mail Doug and Drew are on location in Wichita, Kansas which claims to be the Air Capital of the World. Is it? We tour the city to find out. Bombardier/ Learjet facilities Cessna and Textron Spirit Aerosystems Airbus B29 Museum https://www.b29doc.com/ Kansas Aviation Museum https://kansasaviationmuseum.org/ All these aviation giants here but “The I C..T.” is not all about aviation. We v...
Boarding Pass 182: 5G Extension? 22.05.2023 51:26
Send us Fan Mail Airlines are asking for more time to update aircraft altimeters but will the FAA extend the deadline at the end of June? Telecoms executive Hugh Odom, president of Vertical Consultants , joins us to talk about the concerns. Doug goes down memory taxi lane with a visit to Enid Oklahoma where he did early flight training. Drew talks about ensuring thousands of bags fly with passenge...
Boarding Pass 181: ATCGPT 15.05.2023 1:09:30
Send us Fan Mail Nose to the grindstone for Doug and Drew this week with Doug hitting the KC46 books and simulator and Drew prepping for a busy summer airline hub operation. We dive into commercial aviation jet routes which could be a J route or Q route based on if its using ground based VORs or GPS - confused yet? Don’t change the station, we’ll explain. Also on this episode: 737 orders keep com...
Boarding Pass 180: Looming Pilot Strikes? 08.05.2023 59:02
Send us Fan Mail Drew is back from another Summer IRROPs preparation meeting and Doug is back to Wichita in KC46 training. Drew talks about how airlines and ATC work behind the scenes to make sure your flight is safe. Both Doug and Drew talk about how they individually work with ATC and Dispatch, real time, to get planes moving. We also discuss: Will the A220-500 and EMB 195-E2 kill the A320 and 7...
Boarding Pass 179: Direct 01.05.2023 42:58
Send us Fan Mail Drew is back from an IRROPs strategy session in Las Vegas and Doug is on the way home from Wichita for a break from KC-46 training. They were both on direct flights …or were they non-stop flights? Doug av-splains the difference. Also on this episode: Fedex closes bases at Anchorage, Los Angeles, and Cologne Mexico is closer to regaining Category 1 status with the FAA Engine manuf...
Boarding Pass 178: Rapid Unscheduled Disassembly 24.04.2023 54:35
Send us Fan Mail Doug's in KC46 school in Wichita and Drew's back from helping improve airline ops tools in Chicago. This week we discuss: Aviation word of the week : RUD - Rapid Unscheduled Disassembly SpaceX Starship Southwest internal gound stop Alaska Airlines removing kiosks from ticket counter areas New Avelo Airlines base at Wilmington, Delaware United posts small 1st quarter...
Boarding Pass 177: Doug Does DFW 17.04.2023 1:11:34
Send us Fan Mail Doug is at DFW for a meetup with our buddies at Nonrev Lounge Podcast. He also talks about flying the competition from Sacramento to Wichita and driving (?) to DFW. Drew's about to leave for Chicago to help improve a tool they use to manage the operation. We also discuss: Word of the week: DOD - domestic object damage Airlines are asked to reduce NYC flights due to ATC staff...
Boarding Pass 176: How'd That Hub Get There? 10.04.2023 50:07
Send us Fan Mail Drew gets coworkers from 4 departments together because teamwork makes the dream, and the operation, work. Doug is on break from flying the 777 - any withdrawal symptoms? We check on him and discuss: Our word of the week - PACK Airbus adds final assembly line in China NASA names 4 astronauts for the Artemis II moon mission How do airlines choose where to build hubs? Our buddies at...
Boarding Pass 175: ADIRUs Down Undah 03.04.2023 59:05
Send us Fan Mail Doug is back from his first trip to Sydney, Australia and Drew is taking new hires on ramp tours. On this episode we discuss: Aviation word of the week - ADIRU Jetblue/Spirit merger update - hurry up and wait Delta starts their Propel flight school Transatlantic travel is growing Indian aviation capacity to double by 2027 Artificial intelligence at the airlines Join the discussi...
Boarding Pass 174: Throttle Monkeys 27.03.2023 57:16
Send us Fan Mail Doug is back from a fun, and tiring, family vacation in Disneyland and Drew spent another day at the Udvar-Hazy Aviation Museum in DC. How many trips must he make before he gets docent status and free parking? On this episode we discuss: Aviation word of the week - TCAS Archer Aviation’s Midnight eVTOL may have its first route - Downtown Chicago to O’Hare Airport UPS and Fedex pl...
Boarding Pass 173: Startups 20.03.2023 48:28
Send us Fan Mail Doug is back from Kona and Denver and Drew had an unexpected deicing event, and major delays due to winds and a single runway operation, the next day. Also on this episode: Aviation word of the week - RAT, ram air turbine New Saudi airline RIA hopes to challenge the ME3 Flair Airlines 737s seized Alaska's Northern Pacific first route is LAX to Las Vegas (?) SFO runway incide...
Boarding Pass 172: Engine Geek 13.03.2023 1:02:54
Send us Fan Mail Greg, our buddy and show contributor, joins us to talk about aircraft engines - how they work, air-starts, and engine supply chain issues. He also is excited to be back in the aviaton industry with what could be his dream job. Doug regales us with a pilot memoir about his 2nd trip to Japan and reveals he’s a train (rail?) geek too. We also discuss: The Department of Justice trys t...
Boarding Pass 171: Inflation and Ticket Prices... and "Real" Dollars? 06.03.2023 1:01:15
Send us Fan Mail Doug is back from his KC10 “fini” flight and Drew’s been spending time with visitors at DC aviation museums. Which one is best for avgeeks? Also: We remember Susan Wright, “the mother of flight", on Women’s History Month Drew quizzes Doug on business class cabin names Central Asian traffic rises as Russian airspace is closed Norse Air plans several US flights Airline sign on...
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