The Monocle Banking Podcast

To examine one of South Africa's most contentious economic policy debates - the effectiveness of Broad-Based Black Economic Empowerment (B-BBEE) - Michael Avery is joined by Dr. Daan Steenkamp, CEO of Codera Analytics, and Donald Mackay, Director at XA Global Trade Advisors. Drawing on new research into the costs and outcomes of B-BBEE compliance, the discussion explores whether the policy is achi...

To explore the journey of building one of South Africa's leading university-focused investment platforms Michael Avery was joined by Wayne Stocks, Managing Partner at Stocks & Strauss. Their conversation unpacked the challenges and opportunities of commercialising academic research, the structural barriers facing South Africa's venture capital ecosystem, and what it takes to turn breakthrough...

What does it take for a business to reinvent itself after facing repeated setbacks? Michael Avery sat down with Jorge Mendes, the CEO of Cell C, to unpack the company's remarkable transformation and its vision for a new era of telecommunications in South Africa. The conversation explored how Cell C has reimagined its operating model, embraced strategic partnerships and built a leaner, more agile b...

Artificial intelligence is reshaping industries, markets, and societies - but what does it reveal about us? Michael Avery sat down with Nic Andrew, Managing Director at Nedgroup Investments, to explore the intersection of AI, human behaviour, and decision-making. Their conversation unpacked how AI is influencing investment strategies, transforming the future of work, and reshaping traditional appr...

What does it take to build a world-class agricultural export industry from the heart of the Karoo? This week Michael Avery was joined by David Muller, CEO of Prieska Pistachio Company, to explore how a once-abandoned pistachio farming venture is being transformed into a premium South African success story. Their conversation unpacked the persistence required to overcome complex farming challenges,...

For a thought-provoking conversation unpacking South Africa’s 2026 Tax Freedom Day, Michael Avery was joined by Dr Richard Grant, Professor of Finance & Economics at Cumberland University and Senior Consultant for the Free Market Foundation. The discussion explored the relationship between taxation, government spending, and economic growth in South Africa, while examining how policy choices, p...

As AI rapidly reshapes the financial sector, the question is no longer whether regulators should respond - but whether they can keep pace. Michael Avery was joined by Fundi Tshazibana, Deputy Governor of the South African Reserve Bank and CEO of the Prudential Authority, for a timely conversation examining how the industry is navigating the accelerating rise of generative AI. The discussion explor...

As the agricultural sector gathers at NAMPO this week, Michael Avery was joined by Eric Enslin, CEO of FNB Private Bank, for a conversation exploring the growing complexity of modern agriculture. They unpacked the financial, structural, and generational challenges facing South African farming families today. The discussion also highlighted the increasingly important role of integrated banking and...

As stablecoins move from crypto curiosity to financial infrastructure, South Africa is being forced to answer a much bigger question: who will control the future of digital money? Michael Avery was joined by Ashlin Perumall, Partner in M&A & Head of IPTech at Baker McKenzie SA, to unpack South Africa’s evolving regulatory approach to stablecoins and what it could mean for banks, fintechs,...

Capital is still moving, but far more selectively. Michael Avery was joined by Theo Sibiya (Partner at Kearney) and Terence Toland (Principal, Global Business Policy Council at Kearney) to unpack insights from Kearney 2026 FDI Confidence Index, exploring how geopolitics, industrial policy, and innovation are reshaping global investment flows. They discussed why capital is increasingly favouring te...

If you think fintech is all about slick apps and digital wallets, this conversation might change your perspective… Michael Avery was joined by Jonathan Smit, co-founder of PayFast, to unpack his entrepreneurial journey and the evolution of payments in South Africa. From identifying payments as a critical gap in the early internet economy to exploring how fintech has shifted from standalone product...

Restructuring is often seen as a last resort - but what if that thinking is costing companies their survival? Michael Avery was joined by CEO of RTgroup, Michael Dorn, to unpack the critical evolution of business restructuring, highlighting how companies typically engage restructuring officers far too late to preserve value. From identifying early warning signs like deteriorating cash flow and C-s...

Sustainable finance has evolved from intent to accountability - and in South Africa, that shift is becoming tangible. In a country where water scarcity is a growing constraint, natural capital is being redefined as critical infrastructure, with capital markets beginning to price in real environmental outcomes. Michael Avery was joined by Martin Potgieter (Director of Natural Capital at RMB), Kalin...

Insurance in Africa is changing fast. AI can now flag fraud in seconds, mobile platforms are reshaping access, and customer expectations are higher than ever. This week, Michael Avery spoke with Pravin Kalpage, CEO of Hollard International, about what these shifts really mean for the industry. Kalpage shared how insurance is moving beyond transactions toward ongoing engagement - and why partnershi...

South Africa’s banks are delivering strong financial results - but the real story lies in what sits beneath the numbers. Michael Avery was joined by PwC Africa’s Financial Services Leader, Costa Natsas, as they unpacked the sector’s latest results and explored what’s driving performance in a shifting economic and competitive landscape. Beyond the headline growth, the conversation examined the stru...

After unpacking payments modernisation over the past two episodes - from infrastructure to fintech innovation - this conversation turns to the real test: adoption. How do these changes translate into everyday economic activity for millions of South Africans? Hema Morar, Executive Head of FNB eWallet, shares how the platform is evolving to meet the realities of informal income, using AI, alternativ...

Following last week’s conversation on the infrastructure behind South Africa’s payments modernisation, this episode shifts to the merchant frontlines as Michael Avery sat down with Rachel Cowan, Interim CEO of Ozow. The discussion unpacked the growing shift toward real-time account-to-account payments and the importance of interoperability across the ecosystem. Rachel shared how evolving payment r...

Through the Payments Ecosystem Modernisation Programme (PEM), South Africa is moving away from legacy infrastructure toward faster, more open payment rails. Michael Avery spoke with Marin Cundall, Managing Executive: Identity, Customer, and Payments GoTyme Bank, to unpack what this shift means for banks, fintechs, and the broader economy. From instant payments and interoperability to the role of d...

Banking regulation today extends far beyond capital adequacy - fundamentally changing how shareholders, boards, and acquirers must approach transactions. Michael Avery met with Deborah Carmichael, Executive in ENS’s Banking and Finance practice, to unpack cross-border control of South African banks: why deals succeed, why they stall, and how to get them over the line, in light of the recent collap...

This week, Michael Avery set out to understand why electricity reform is becoming far more than an energy story - and what it means for investment, market structure, and economic growth. He spoke with Peter Attard Montalto, Managing Director at Krutham and one of South Africa’s most incisive political-economy analysts, whose team authored a report on behalf of the South African Electricity Traders...

Recorded during the African Mining Indaba in Cape Town, Michael Avery spoke with Thobela Bixa, Senior Research Analyst at Nedbank CIB, about copper’s evolving role in the global economy. The conversation explored Africa’s geological advantages alongside the infrastructure and energy constraints shaping future supply. As copper transitions from industrial commodity to strategic economic infrastruct...

To understand why regulation should be seen as an enabler rather than a barrier to innovation, Michael Avery met with Lerato Lamola, Partner at Webber Wentzel. They unpacked why thinking outside the box and adopting a consumer-first mindset is critical, and how this applies to South Africa’s shifting retail banking and fintech landscape, particularly in light of the Conduct of Financial Institutio...

To explore how embedded insurance is reshaping the industry across South Africa and Africa, Michael Avery was joined by Deloitte Africa’s Insurance Sector Advisory Lead, Andrew Warren. They unpacked how banks, telcos, and fintechs are using technology to simplify underwriting, automate claims, and bring insurance directly into everyday platforms - raising important questions about how traditional...

Bringing it full circle from the very first episode, Michael Avery met with Monocle CEO David Buckham. David unpacked the moments that shaped Monocle: surviving the global financial crisis, prioritising integrity and culture, and expanding into risk and technology as both were being radically redefined. From Basel II to AI, from cloud migration to geopolitical fault lines, the conversation cut acr...

Gold prices are hitting record highs - not just because of market cycles, but because global trust is shifting. Michael Avery sat down with Craig Brewer, Managing Director and Co-Head of Origination at Absa Corporate and Investment Banking, to examine what this means for mining and global capital. They unpacked why mega-mergers are reshaping the industry, why copper is becoming the backbone of AI...