With Kim and Miche van Essen
The Models We Live By
The podcast that explores how overcoming the mental models we all hold on to can help us grow to become better people and leaders. www.likequiche.com
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Jan 8, 2026
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S05 Episode 2 - Belonging in STEM 08.01.2026 47:54
I’m pretty excited about this episode. My friend Kori, and former kickball team mate, also happens to have a PhD in Educational Psychology and every time I talk to her I am amazed by her wisdom. In this episode, we delve into research on belonging in STEM through a critical lens. The discussion reveals that the view of STEM as inherently objective, rational, and logical is a cultural assumption ro...
S05 Episode 1 - The Perception Gap 01.01.2026 49:30
Wow, we're back, everyone! I may have convinced my wife, Kim, to join me as a permanent co-host! For those who don't know her, Kim is a brilliant scholar and human being. She's got a background as a creative director for our UX design studio back in the day and in non-profit management. She received an MA in Education from VCU in Culturally Responsive Leadership. Today, we're surveying the upcomin...
S04 Episode 5 - It's Really F#cked Up 16.01.2024 1:04:33
On today's episode we have SHOC's pastor Donna Burkland on! We get to talk about how Intersectionality adds complexity to one's life and can result in additional expenses, how disability justice should be covered by insurance, and also attending conferences and making plans can be exciting and require careful consideration. Check out her church: https://www.safeharboroc.com/ Or follow...
S04 Episode 4 - Upholding Harm 13.12.2023 50:57
In this conversation, Emily Paulson discusses her journey as a recovery advocate and her experience with multi-level marketing (MLM). She shares her involvement with the Sober Mom Squad, an online community for moms struggling with alcohol use. She explains what MLMs are and why they can be harmful and reflects on her own participation in an MLM and the realization of her complicity in upholding h...
S04 Episode 3 - Embracing Growth 06.12.2023 1:08:54
In this episode we are joined by my friends Billie Hoard and Eden and we have a frank conversation about our trans journey, how we struggle, and ultimately how we embrace growth. Follow Billie: Twitter Instagram Threads Substack Follow Eden and his podcast Instagram Podcast Get full access to Like Quiche at www.likequiche.com/subscribe
S04 Episode 2 - How Movements Happen 29.11.2023 50:24
I'm so happy to be back again! Sorry for a pause in publishing - a lot has been going on but I'm excited to share all the stories from guests that I have interviewed. On today's show we are joined by Zach Lambert and we get to talk about how to create safe spaces, how pastors have a leading role in creating movements for queer people and other marginalized folks, and the understand tha...
S04 Episode 1 - Believe what you Hear 03.10.2023 44:14
Hello all! We're back with Season 4! As has become tradition, we start the season with my wife Kim and hear her insights on this season's topics. This Season is all about intersectionality; we explore and dive deeper into what that means. If you have the chance, do watch the Ted Talk by Kimberlé Crenshaw about the The urgency of intersectionality: https://www.ted.com/talks/kimberle_crensha...
S03 Episode 8 - Bridge Building 09.08.2023 55:12
On today's show, we are joined by Micah Melody Taberner. Micah Melody is the Community Care Coordinator for Transmission Ministry Collective—an online community dedicated to the spiritual care, faith formation, and leadership potential of transgender and gender-expansive Christians. The TMC community is created by and for trans people, building a space where trans Christians can be connected t...
S03 Episode 7 - Queer Virtue 25.07.2023 52:26
Just a heads up, there are some siren sounds in the background. Today's guest is Liz Edamn. Liz Edman (she/her) is an Episcopal priest and political strategist, a published author of "Queer Virtue" who has been igniting people's understanding of Christianity and queer life for more than 25 years. She has lived and worked on the front lines of some of the most salient contemporar...
S03 Episode 6 - Base Assumptions 11.07.2023 59:09
On today's episode, we are joined by Pastor Anthony from the Table Church. Anthony Parrott hails from Goshen, Indiana. Before moving to Washington, DC in 2020, he and his family pastored in northwest Iowa for 10 years. He received a Bachelors in Philosophy and Bible from Bethel University, Indiana, and a Masters of Divinity with an emphasis in Theology from Asbury Theological Seminary. He has the...
S03 Episode 5 - Lumped Together 27.06.2023 52:58
Some editorial notes: Sabrina made a comment about the bible being interpreted individually but she texted me and said that of course certain letters and books were written to an individual. Another note is that Sabrina had to leave a little bit earlier as David and I finished the conversation, so she's not in the last 10 minutes of the podcast. On today's show, we welcome half of the team...
S03 Episode 4 - A New Evangelical 20.06.2023 1:00:50
CW - mentions of transphobia Today we are joined by Tim Whitaker from the New Evangelicals talking about how white people can navigate space and why he is considering himself an evangelical while at the same time being progressive in his faith expressions. Get full access to Like Quiche at www.likequiche.com/subscribe
S03 Episode 3 - Holding Space 13.06.2023 54:50
On today's episode, we are graced by my dear friend Bridget Black, a Theologian and Spiritual Director based in CA. I hope you enjoy how we get deep into the weeds immediately as we discuss proverbs, disembodiment, and holding space for our experience as cocreators with God. Get full access to Like Quiche at www.likequiche.com/subscribe
S03 Episode 2 - Leaven 06.06.2023 49:39
CW - Brief mention of abuse. Tamice is the author of the transformative book "Faith Unleavened", an exploration of faith in a society that is dominated by whiteness. She's also the host of the popular podcast "Life After Leaven". In today's episode, she shares her own experiences and insights on navigating faith coming out of a white evangelical church as a black non-bi...
S03 Episode 1 - Pet Peeves 30.05.2023 51:33
CW Has themes of sexual abuse. We're back with Season 3 and as our new tradition dictates, we have to kick the season off with my wife Kim! Today we're introducing the theme of this season and it's all about how theology has shaped our culture and our pet peeves around that. Thank you so much for listening and it would be great if you could follow me @michevanessen on all socials. Next...
S02 Episode 9 - Embodiment 23.05.2023 55:05
CW - Mentions Sexual Abuse Welcome to the Season Finale!! Woohoo! In this episode, we talk with Tommy about how experiences like joys and trauma get to live inside our bodies. But we also talk about how bodies have been historically exploited and controlled. Get full access to Like Quiche at www.likequiche.com/subscribe
S02 - Announcement 30.03.2023 28:27
CW - Medical, anatomical descriptions. Hey all - I'm taking off in the month of April and in this episode Kim and I explain why. Looking forward to having many more conversations with ya'll in May! Get full access to Like Quiche at www.likequiche.com/subscribe
S02 Episode 8 - Being Human 21.03.2023 58:46
In today's episode we are joined by Angie Hong, co-founder of Kinship Commons, who is sharing about her upbringing within a Korean-American context, how being othered has hurt her but eventually inspired her to do the work of connection, and how liturgy could fit in the bedroom. Get full access to Like Quiche at www.likequiche.com/subscribe
S02 Episode 7 - Connecting With Ourselves 06.03.2023 45:36
Today we are joined by Mathias Roberts, author of Overcoming Shame and Holy Runaways, the latter of which is up for pre-order right now! On this episode we talk about our experiences with shame, how we connect with God, and how to try to connect with ourselves again. Get full access to Like Quiche at www.likequiche.com/subscribe
S02 Episode 6 - Our Sense of Belonging 28.02.2023 48:07
CW - brief mention of rape Today Brandi Miller from Reclaiming my Theology will be joining us to talk about sex, belonging, and the way we white supremacy has affected the way we interact across genders. Get full access to Like Quiche at www.likequiche.com/subscribe
S02 Episode 5 - Feeling OK (Corrected Audio) 22.02.2023 55:16
CW mentions abuse - in today’s episode, we’ll be joined by the folks from refuge radio to talk about their experiences navigating the faith spaces as queer people. The previous upload had messed up audio, apologies everyone, and thanks to the ones that noticed - for the record, I always want to hear if the audio is messed up! Get full access to Like Quiche at www.likequiche.com/subscribe
S02 Episode 4 - The Panic Zone 13.02.2023 51:30
CW - This episode talks about themes of abuse and sexual assault. Today Maddie is joining us again to talk about her experience learning about sex while growing up and her research and opinions on how we can remedy the discomfort when we talk about it. Get full access to Like Quiche at www.likequiche.com/subscribe
S02 Episode 3 - Opening the Door 06.02.2023 49:13
Double CW - this episode talks about abuse, violence, a rape. In this Episode, The Models We Live By veterans Wendy Olson & Jen Pool join the show to talk about how we talk about sex affects survivors of sexual abuse. Get full access to Like Quiche at www.likequiche.com/subscribe
S02 Episode 2 - How Sexual Shame Affects Our Lives 30.01.2023 54:07
In today's episode, Dr. Tina Schermer Sellers joins us for a frank and open conversation about how we have gotten to a place where we are unable to talk about sex. Dr. Tina is the author of Sex, God, and the Conservative Church: Erasing Shame from Sexual Intimacy and Shameless Parenting: Everything You Need to Raise Shame-Free, Confident Kids and Heal Your Shame Too! Get full access to Like Qui...
S02 Episode 1 - Looking Ahead 24.01.2023 41:50
Kim and I are kicking off the season, and we're excited! Although this episode doesn't contain much explicit content nor content and trigger warnings, the entire season is marked as explicit because the topic is "how we talk about sex, or how we don't, in faith spaces." Be kind to yourself. I will feel no offense at all if you want to sit out this season; your health is more important to me. Get...
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