The Liturgists
The Liturgists Podcast
An artful, mind-expanding, heart-opening, genre-bending exploration of how to live a life full of more love and less suffering.
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Oct 8, 2025
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Episodes
A Prelude to the Next Season: The Mary Episode 08.10.2025 42:07
In this special crossover episode, Michael Gungor shares an intimate reflection from his new Loving This podcast series, Magnificat — a journey through the songs, symbols, and spiritual questions behind his latest album. This episode centers on Mary — the divine feminine, the cosmic mother, and the presence of love that births the world again and again. Through story, song, and meditation, Michael...
Church Shopping 30.09.2023 28:31
Michael Gungor talks about how he's been church shopping and how the Internet has reacted to it as well as his thoughts and feelings around this unexpected burst of cultural conversation
Sally Kempton 11.09.2023 1:00:36
Sally Kempton (January 15, 1943 – July 10, 2023) was an American swami, author, and spiritual teacher. This interview with Michael Gungor from the final year of Sally's time on this planet covers a range of topics from the divine feminine to kundalini to trans-rational perspective. You can check out more of Sally's work at sallykempton.com
The Sedona Method Part 2 09.02.2023 58:18
The Sedona Method has helped transform the lives of hundreds of thousands of people around the globe. In this sequel to our original Sedona Method podcast that we released last year, Michael Gungor speaks with Hale Dwoskin, author of the book "The Sedona Method" about blocks to releasing, the nine emotional states, how children know how to do this instinctively, and more.
Enough 27.01.2023 37:07
In this episode, Michael talks about his discovery about how the most destructive patterns in his history have been rooted in a story of not being enough. This realization has made him refocus his mission to the point that he is restructuring all of his life, work, and business.
Audrey Assad interviews Gungor 21.11.2022 1:11:32
Audrey Assad interviews Michael and Lisa Gungor about Gungor’s new record “Love Song to Life.” They talk about music, theology, and some unexpected musical instrumentation.
Nonviolent Forgiveness (I Forgive You) 23.09.2022 28:38
Can the idea of forgiveness actually be violent? In this episode, Michael talks about Gungor's new single "I Forgive You" and explores the idea of forgiveness looking through the different lenses presented in Marshall Rosenberg's "Nonviolent Communication".
A Million I's 08.09.2022 20:11
In this bonus episode from the Loving THIS podcast, Michael talks about the meaning and story behind Gungor's new single "A Million I's"
Church of the Wild 21.04.2022 1:18:43
Victoria Loorz, MDiv, is a "wild church pastor," an "eco-spiritual director" and co-founder of several transformation-focused organizations focused on the integration of nature and spirituality. She feels most alive when collaborating with Mystery and kindred spirits to create opportunities for people to re-member themselves back into intimate, sacred relationship with the rest of the living...
Jennifer Dawn Watts 17.03.2022 1:23:40
In today's episode, Michael talks to Jennifer Dawn Watts, friend of the show and noted faith community leader and therapist, about the idea of The 12 Steps and how they relate to spirituality.
Praise 11.03.2022 21:53
Join us in this special episode where Michael discusses the concept of Praise: what it means to him, what it means in the world, and how you can practice it in your own life
John Philip Newell 17.02.2022 58:39
In today’s episode, Michael talks to John Philip Newell, a Celtic teacher and author of spirituality who calls the modern world to reawaken to the sacredness of the earth and every human being. Together, they discuss Celtic Christianity and the modern-day application of its wisdom. 3:00- Michael asks what the scope of Celtic Christianity is 7:50- Michael asks why this wisdom is difficult to practi...
The Sedona Method 27.01.2022 39:27
In this episode, Michael speaks with Hale Dwoskin, author of "The Sedona Method: Your Key to Lasting Happiness, Success, Peace and Emotional Well-Being" to discuss his book and the Method as he sees it. The Sedona Method is described as "a simple, powerful, and easy-to-learn technique that shows you how to uncover your natural ability to let go of any painful or unwanted feeling in the momen...
Derek Webb 13.01.2022 1:22:27
In the first episode of Season 8, Michael speaks to Derek Webb. Derek Webb is a musician who has always bravely asked the big questions in his music and invited others to do the same. In this episode, Derek and Michael Gungor chat about music, spirituality and why the two have been so intertwined for both of them. Some helpful timestamps for this episode: 2:30- Derek Webb introduces himself 5:00-...
EVENT ALERT: "Mass" An Existential Meditiation 31.12.2021 3:32
Join the Liturgists for a conversation immediately following the January 1st, 3pm PST Youtube premiere of "Mass", an existential meditation by Stephen Proctor that features music from Michael Gungor's WEIWU album. You can find the information about "Mass" at massfilm.art , and find the zoom conversation at the usual link below: Zoom Link: https://zoom.us/j/3271876473 Room Code: 300300 We'll s...
Make Believe With Briana Lynn 10.12.2021 1:07:08
In this final episode of Season 7, Symposium member Briana Lynn and Michael Gungor have a fun, lighthearted conversation about the belief, play, and why we tried to do what we did in this last season of the podcast.
Let's Disagree Again 04.11.2021 2:00:15
Peter Rollins returns to the Liturgists podcast to disagree with Michael about reality being “One” and, of course, to have some good laughs while doing so.
Love More, Suffer Less 08.10.2021 17:45
As season 7 draws to a close, Michael talks about the mission of the Liturgists and where things are headed.
Let's Disagree 30.09.2021 1:58:34
We've lot a lot of listeners and patrons this season. Perhaps not surprisingly, reframing Christianity to be seen as nondual spiritual technologies is not everyone's cup of tea. (Neither is Michael Gungor) But we also want you to know that we hear you and that there's space for you and your disagreement here too. In this episode, Michael talks with an old Christian music buddy (and Liturgists podc...
Salvation 09.09.2021 56:39
Does the concept of salvation have any use if we don’t see it as a ticket to some other worldly existence after we die? Does the progressive notion of “freedom” that is so related to morality, justice, money, and power imply that we should all be more like Bezos or Trump? What is enlightenment and does anybody actually get to be enlightened? These are a few of the questions we tackle in this raw a...
Trinity 26.08.2021 1:01:50
The Liturgists forms its first faux ecumenical theological council as Rev. Brianna Lynn, Mason Smith, Emily Capshaw, Latifah Alattas, Chris Davies and Michael Gungor have a fun, lively discussion about the Trinity and what, if any, value it has as a spiritual technology beyond the oppressive patriarchal usages that are so common historically.
Fear No Evil 12.08.2021 1:15:13
Who or what is Satan? What is the nature of evil and what is the best way to interact with it in ourselves and in others? What is “existential kink”? These are just a few of the sorts of things we get into on this fun and wildly heretical episode featuring Caroline Elliot (author of the book “Existential Kink: Unmask Your Shadow and Embrace Your Power; a Method for Getting What You Want by Getting...
Bonus: Singing Together 22.06.2021 14:28
Singing together is not only a potentially powerful spiritual technology and form of spiritual community, but it’s good for you! Studies have shown singing to be linked to lower stress, better moods, more of a sense of connection, and many more benefits. In this bonus podcast, we are announcing a last minute event (next Thursday, July 1) where you can come meet some like-minded spiritual people as...
Hell 03.06.2021 47:04
The story of a “hell” is present in many religious traditions, but how does that impact the way we experience the present moment? What really is hell? And what do we do about all of the fear and shame it causes, even if we don’t logically believe in it? In this episode, Emily Capshaw, Michael Gungor, Jamie Lee Finch, and Audrey Assad all share how the story of hell has shifted for them.
Heaven 20.05.2021 51:04
Is Heaven a place? A metaphor? A state of mind? In this episode of the Liturgists Podcast, Michael Gungor and Emily Capshaw explore these questions by interviewing Catherine Wolff, author of the upcoming book “Beyond: How Humankind Thinks About Heaven.” You can find out more about Catherine and her work by visiting www.catherinewolff.com
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