Theresa Destrebecq and Vincent Musolino

The Leader Learner Podcast

Business EN ↓ 69 episodes

The Leader Learner podcast is for readers and leaders of all kinds. Theresa and Vincent both work as external learning and development providers to global organizations, supporting them in different ways. In this podcast, they explore what they're learning from and with the organizations that they work with, as well as what they are learning through their own leadership practices. 

Author

Theresa Destrebecq and Vincent Musolino

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Business

Podcast website

www.leaderlearner.fm

Latest episode

Feb 12, 2026

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Episodes

Is connection the content? 12.02.2026

Send us Fan Mail Overarching Question: Which is more important, content or connection?  Big ideas: Peter Block -- "Connection is the Content" content and connection as an infinity loop different types of connection -- to ideas, to others, and oneself relationship and communication interact with another trust cannot be built without connection delivering content with trust doesn't le...

Is Listening Over-rated? 09.01.2026

Send us Fan Mail THEME : Is listening overrated? CONVERSATION POINTS: people think they are better communicators/listeners than they are listening is a very under-rated skill, and one to keep practicing knowledge is not opinion context shifts how we listen to people everyone deserves the right to be heard, but we don't have to take on board what they have to say listening without questioning...

Does Defiance Have a Place at Work? 09.12.2025

Send us Fan Mail TOPIC: Do you think we should punish defiance in organizations? BIG IDEAS: defiance appreciated in different cultures - in France it shows you're thinking critically power dynamics that are at play when talking about defiance defy and comply isn't a binary most of us were raised to believe that compliance was good and defiance was bad defiance can be good when it aligns...

Are Gen Z the Me, Me, Me Generation? 13.11.2025

Send us Fan Mail QUESTION: Are Gen Z Me, Me, Me? BIG IDEAS: Lots of complaints from a team leader around respect for him and org. His belief that his younger team members are overconfident and think they are superior Do leaders need to prioritize the organization over themselves Leaders looking for themselves in future leaders (projection) Generalizations around generations  We tend to overestimat...

The Leadership Garden 30.10.2025

Send us Fan Mail TOPIC : If leadership training is dead, how do companies still develope leaders? Big Ideas: Learning experiences can happen without training Learning that happens in community can have a bigger impact Learning happens in a spiral -- you have to come back to it again and in different ways.  Learning happens across multiple axis across time, not linearly Leadership learning can happ...

Leadership Isn't a Checkbox 15.10.2025

Send us Fan Mail TOPIC : Is leadership training dead? BIG IDEAS: creating a learning experience without training/teaching people training gives people a chance to not take responsibility - they are following the training people are happy after a training, but change long term is limited attempt to get manager and HR involved in training, but it didn't work clients/customers want training, but...

S04E09- Shake the Tree with Valentina Tacchino 13.02.2025

Send us Fan Mail 💡 SPOTLIGHTED BOOK : Nice Girls Don't Get the Corner Office  📚 GUEST READER : Valentina Tacchino 💬 CONVERSATION HIGHLIGHTS: the book is very portable -- you can dip in and out how girls/women are educated to be "nice" and certain behavior were educated with not making the most for them in an office environment when being too "nice" can prevent us from s...

S04E08 Incongruence and The Smush (with Lucy Chambers) 09.01.2025

Send us Fan Mail 💡 SPOTLIGHTED BOOK : Unbound by Kasia Urbaniak 📚 GUEST READER : Lucy Chambers 💬 CONVERSATION HIGHLIGHTS: when managing 2 opposing views together ( a Taoist Nun and a Dominatrix) power is connected to our attention and where we direct it Dominant Position - attention out Submissive Position - attention in Link to coaching and coaches not setting the agenda power is about influen...

S04E07 Live, Love, Learn and Leave a Legacy (with Maha Bali) 05.12.2024

Send us Fan Mail 💡 SPOTLIGHTED BOOK : First Things First by Stephen  R. Covey 📚 GUEST READER : Maha Bali 💬 CONVERATION HIGHLIGHTS: it's a life management book and how to prioritize imagining the end of your life and what people will say about you Live, Love, Learn and Leave a Legacy visualization where you attend your own funeral when what is written on paper and what you do in real time d...

S04E06 Turn a Sacred Wound Into a Sacred Scar 21.11.2024

Send us Fan Mail 💡 SPOTLIGHTED BOOK : Wild Mind by Bill Plotkin 📚 GUEST READER : Andrei Stoicescu 💬 CONVERATION HIGHLIGHTS: growing from a place of unknowing not knowing where/when you will learn - it can happen at any time we often forget that we are a part of nature eco-psychology lens we live in an ecosystem and don't recognize our interdependence eco-centric -- start from the place of...

S04E05 Comment Fonctionnent Les Groupes Humains 07.11.2024

Send us Fan Mail LIVRE: Les structures fondamentales des sociétés humaines de Bernard Lahire INVITÉ : Aïda Koné Resumé: Comprendre les groupes humains Psychologie - focus sur l'individuel Sociologie - focus sur le groupe Racines communes entre les groupes  Identifiez les différentes strates -- dimensions biologiques, sociales et culturelles Pour un facilitateur ou coach d'équipe, c'...

S04E04 Don't Fear Her Tears with Dominique Ara 24.10.2024

Send us Fan Mail Spotlight Book: That's What She Said by Joanne Lipman Guest : Dominique Ara  Conversation Highlights: soft skills are people to people transgender experiences can give a peak into how our gender biases show up hard to recognize that we live in a man's world not only men interrupt women - women do it too we're not dreaming - the experience of the world is different i...

S04E03 The Perils and Power of Perfectionism 10.10.2024

Send us Fan Mail SPOTLIGHTED BOOK: The Perfectionists Guide to Losing Control by Katherine Morgan Schafler GUEST READER : Viktoriia Berezhna  CONVERSATION HIGHLIGHTS: Perfectionism evolves over time when we challenge our beliefs Preparing does help, but doesn't change perfectionism The 5 Kinds of Perfectionists : Classic, Intense, Messy, Procrastinator, Parisian Intense - really high expectat...

S04E02 Moose Heads and Fertilizer with Alejandro Garcia Machuca 26.09.2024

Send us Fan Mail SPOTLIGHTED BOOK: Moose Heads on the Table by Karin Tenelius and Lisa Gill GUEST READER : Alejandro Garcia Machuca CONVERSATION TOPICS: Leadership is something you step in and out of. It's too heavy to be a leadership all the time. Self managed organizations don't have managers - they distribute the power and authority among the employees When people take ownership for t...

S04E01 : The Magic of Metaphor with Vincent Musolino 12.09.2024

Send us Fan Mail SPOTLIGHTED BOOK : Images of Organization by Gareth Morgan GUEST READER :  Vincent Musolino CONVERSATIONAL TOPICS :  We talk of organizations as metaphors We speak in metaphors and stories Some metaphors are older than time Analysis of what we do, drawn from metaphors The 8 Metaphors - Orgs and Machines, Organisms Brains, Cultures, Political Systems, Psychic Prisons, Flux and Tran...

S03E19 The Season 3 Recap 09.07.2024

Send us Fan Mail Check-In: What actor or actress would play you in the movie version of your life?  Episode 1: Power is for everyone Power is an expression of our relationships within groups Power over and power to are different  How different types of power unconsciously drive us Episode 2: Unleashing is allowing Who is doing the unleashing?  Purpose is in relationship to others Purpose is tempor...

The Practice Listening! Episode 19.06.2024

Send us Fan Mail Check-In: What was your favorite job? And why? Big Ideas: move from shallow questions to deep questions freedom, pace, connection autonomy and connectedness are part of the motivational factors of humans autonomy within a group, leaning into the group rather than isolation independence, dependence, and interdependence 3 types of conversations - the practical conversation (What&apo...

S03E17 The Disengaged Episode 29.05.2024

Send us Fan Mail SUMMARY: In this episode, Vincent and Theresa chat about some Gallup data around employee engagement across the world. Who is actively disengaged at work? Who is not engaged? Who is engaged? Check-In: What's at the top of your bucket list?  Big Ideas: professional bucket list  the success race when we buy things to make us happy Connection between engagement and success Compa...

S03E16 Leading The 20-Somethings Episode 07.05.2024

Send us Fan Mail Check-In:  What's your favorite place in your neighborhood? Big Ideas:  Common issues in phone-based children now adults - social isolation, sleep deprivation, attention fragmentation, addiction Lack of in-person interactions and conflict, leaves them unable to resolve conflict in reality Dopamine addiction online, leads to cycle of waiting for acknowledgement Judging people...

S03E15 : The How Can I Help? Episode 24.04.2024

Send us Fan Mail Check-In: What has recently become less important to you? Big Ideas: Look at the lattice of the organization, not just the ladder Leap between individual contributor and manager No change of nature between the different levels of managers - shift in intensity, but not the nature of the work Develop a network of people at and around your level At some point you'll be playing t...

S03E14 Is Theresa a Sexist Episode? 10.04.2024

Send us Fan Mail Check-In: What's giving you hope right now?  Big Ideas: What constitutes inequity? When your unbelonging can connect you with other people who feel unbelonging Gender equity issues not coming up in some leadership trainings  Cultural and country differences in gender equity Calling out misogynistic jokes - Should I? Context dependent? "isms" as part of the air we br...

S03E13 The Story I'm Telling Myself Episode 27.03.2024

Send us Fan Mail Check-In: Which projects give you energy? Big Ideas: 3 skills that lead to successful groups: building safety, sharing vulnerability, establishing purpose cohesive groups - telling stories and reminding one another what they stand for murmuration - how birds move together using small signals to link the present moment to the future ideal organizations that don't have a purpos...

S03E12 The Intentional Flexibility Episode (with Lisa Davidian) 14.03.2024

Send us Fan Mail Check-In:  Do think the best time of your life is in the past, present, or future Big Ideas: flexibility in work schedules - what do we need to do so the equipment that supports remote working shifting mindsets around traditional ways of working shifting schedules to accommodate global clients sense of freedom in being able to shift your schedule flexing people's pay to allow...

S03E11 The Chess and Checkers Episode 28.02.2024

Send us Fan Mail Check-In:  If you could live anywhere, where would you live and why? Big Ideas:  when books make leadership seem easy, when it's not 5 elements that every team needs to function well together, written as a pyramid using books as a guide can lead us down the wrong path The 5 Dysfunctions are: Absence of Trust, Fear of Conflict, Lack of Commitment, Avoidance of Accountability,...

S03E10 The Trombone Leadership Episode 14.02.2024

Send us Fan Mail Check-In: How did you spend your summer breaks as a child? Big Ideas: How do you know when connection exists in a group? The importance of having care/connection when giving feedback Connection is not the same as relationship Feel a connection to someone without a relationship A relationship can exist without fully knowing someone Trusting character versus trusting someone's...

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