The In-Between

In this conversation, Davy Blackburn shares his profound journey from being a pastor to navigating the depths of grief after the tragic loss of his wife. He discusses the challenges of grief, the importance of embracing pain as a pathway to healing, and the transformative power of compassion. Davy emphasizes the need for intentional living and creating space for God in our lives, especially during...

In this conversation, Joe Boyd shares his journey as a storyteller and the importance of embracing one's call to adventure. He discusses the common tendency to reject this call due to fear and self-doubt, and how being open about mental health struggles can foster connection. Joe emphasizes the role of pain in personal growth and the transition from being a hero in one's own story to becoming a me...

In this conversation, Rachel Faulkner Brown shares her profound journey through loss, faith, and healing. After losing two husbands at a young age, Rachel reflects on the impact of her religious upbringing, the secrets she carried, and the importance of vulnerability in the healing process. She discusses her struggles with emotional expression and the transformative power of therapy, emphasizing t...

In this conversation, Michael Whittle, founder of Pulpit AI, discusses his journey as a pastor and entrepreneur, the inspiration behind his company, and the challenges of balancing ministry with entrepreneurial pursuits. He emphasizes the importance of curiosity in his life and how it drives his decision-making process. Michael also reflects on the nature of calling, suggesting that it is more exp...

Mark Casto shares his transformative journey from being a pastor to an entrepreneur after facing significant challenges, including a church fire. He discusses the importance of faith, obedience, and redefining success beyond traditional metrics, emphasizing the value of personal relationships and self-worth in decision-making. In this conversation, Evan Doyle and Mark Casto explore the themes of p...

Todd Linder, founder of LaunchPoint, shares his journey from ministry to the marketplace, offering practical insights on navigating career transitions, clarifying your purpose, and aligning your personal values with your next steps. Drawing from his experience coaching over 65 ministry leaders, Todd unpacks the emotional and practical complexities of leaving ministry and finding clarity for a new...

Eric Hoke shares his journey from traditional pastoral roles to embracing bivocational ministry, highlighting the challenges and opportunities that arise from balancing church leadership with marketplace involvement. He discusses the importance of redefining pastoral identity and emphasizes the value of feedback and personal growth in discovering new opportunities for ministry and leadership. In t...

Colin Majak, host of the Holy Shift podcast, shares his journey from being a pastor to transitioning into product marketing, exploring themes of change, identity, and the impact of fatherlessness. He reflects on the internal struggles of leaving ministry, recognizing signs of change, and redefining his understanding of calling in a new chapter of life. The discussion emphasizes the importance of s...

In this episode, I sit down with Tyler Zach, an Enneagram coach, former pastor, and author of the highest-rated Enneagram devotional series on Amazon. After nearly two decades in ministry, Tyler made the courageous decision to step away from full-time pastoral work to prioritize his family and personal growth. Tyler opens up about: 👉 The challenges of leaving ministry and the crossroads that led...

Jon Ngan was on the path many pastors might dream of—serving in one of Malaysia’s most influential churches, growing ministries, leading teams, and positioned for senior leadership. Yet, in the middle of outward “success,” Jon began wrestling with an inner unease. In this episode, Jon Ngan talks candidly about: 👉 Navigating the tension between “what was” and “what’s next.” 👉 The dangers of measu...