The In-Between

Thomas Austin is a Nashville-based Theo folk singer-songwriter. He studied songwriting at Belmont University, has released two EPs — Indiana and Evergreen — and a full-length album, Eternal Life. His song "Normal Church," released this year, found its way to thousands of people navigating the exact tension it describes: loving the church and being honest about it at the same time. Thomas...

👉 Get my guide to clarify your next step: ⁠https://itstheinbetween.com/ Brian Wallace has spent 19 years helping organizations take complex ideas and make them simple, visual, and impossible to ignore. As founder of NowSourcing — one of the pioneering infographic and visual storytelling agencies in the world — he's helped companies, basketball players, and movement builders get heard. He also...

👉 Get my guide to clarify your next step: https://itstheinbetween.com/ In this episode of The In-Between, Evan sits down with Dillon Smith — founder of CMO.Church and former content manager for Carey Nieuwhof. Dillon spent eight years working behind the scenes for two of the most influential voices in church leadership before stepping out to launch CMO.Church, a fractional CMO firm built on the c...

👉 Get my guide to clarify your next step: https://itstheinbetween.com/ In this episode of The In-Between, Evan sits down with Jo Hargreaves — psychotherapist, writer, speaker, pastor, and known as the Faith Filled Therapist — to explore the intersection of theology and therapy, and why neuroscience keeps pointing straight back to Scripture. Jo shares how a Holy Spirit nudge during early lockdown...

In this episode of The In-Between, Evan sits down with Beth and Jeff McCord—bestselling authors and founders of Your Enneagram Coach—to unpack the powerful story behind one of the most influential faith-based coaching movements in the world. After a devastating church transition left them questioning their purpose, the McCords found themselves in an unexpected season of rebuilding. What began with...

In this episode of The In-Between, Evan sits down with Tracey Gee—leadership coach, consultant, and author of The Magic of Knowing What You Want—to explore how desire, faith, and small experiments create aligned momentum after a disruptive transition. Tracey shares how a missed promotion shattered her sense of identity—and how a simple 40-day practice (doing one thing each day she genuinely wanted...

In this episode of The In-Between, Evan sits down with Kristi Gaultiere—a licensed family therapist, co-founder of Soul Shepherding, and author of Deeply Loved —to explore how empathy plays a transformative role in emotional health, spiritual growth, and meaningful relationships. With 30+ years of counseling and ministry experience, Kristi opens up about the emotional barriers leaders face during...

In this episode of The In-Between , Evan sits down with Michael Shahan—a licensed therapist, Enneagram specialist, and IFS practitioner—who helps people shift from self-judgment to self-leadership through deeper self-awareness and compassion. Michael’s journey began unexpectedly when a couple he counseled discovered the Enneagram, transforming their marriage—and sparking Michael’s passion for usin...

In this episode of The In-Between, Evan sits down with Andrew Simila—executive coach, associate partner at Novus Global, and former pastor—who helps leaders live beyond their default future and into what he calls the generative future. After 15 years in ministry, Andrew resigned from his pastoral role without a clear next step. What followed was a season of deep exploration, honest questions, and...

What if your best traits—the ones that made you successful—were also the ones keeping you stuck? And what if your next chapter isn’t about reinvention, but about recovering the parts of you you had to silence just to survive? In this episode of The In-Between , Evan sits down with Samantha Mackay—visibility coach, former lawyer, and Enneagram guide—who helps solopreneurs and artistic humans birth...

In this episode of The In-Between , Evan sits down with Joe Freudenberg—former youth pastor turned entrepreneur, coach, and founder of Pickleball CourtPro. Joe’s journey is one many vocational leaders will resonate with: a quiet realization that the life he’d built no longer aligned with the mission he felt called to live. Joe shares what it was like to leave vocational ministry without a clear ne...

In this episode of The In-Between, Evan sits down with Jason DeMeo—artist, designer, keynote speaker, and co-founder of We Are Curio. Jason’s vocational journey has taken him from corporate call centers to church leadership, from vintage Etsy shops to full-time abstract art. Through it all, a common thread emerges: the courage to listen to what’s stirring underneath—and the willingness to follow i...

In this episode of The In-Between, Evan sits down with Kirk Romberg—former pastor, certified coach, and co-founder of Bridge and Rhino, where he equips leaders toward healthier, values-based leadership. Kirk shares his story of moving across states to be near family, stepping away from decades of full-time ministry, and starting a house painting business while quietly listening for what God had ne...

In this episode of The In-Between , Evan sits down with Suzanne Stabile—Enneagram teacher, spiritual director, and author of The Road Back to You and The Journey Toward Wholeness . Often referred to as the "Enneagram Godmother," Suzanne has spent decades helping people see themselves more clearly and live more compassionately—especially through seasons of deep change. Suzanne shares how...

In this episode of The In-Between , Evan sits down with Cory Carlson—executive coach, speaker, and author of Win at Home First and Rise and Go . Cory spent decades climbing the corporate ladder, leading high-performing teams, and achieving outward success. But underneath the promotions and titles, something was breaking: his health, his relationships, and his sense of purpose. Cory shares the stor...

In this episode of The In-Between, Evan sits down with Chris Morris—author, speaker, and advocate for mental health and chronic illness in faith communities. Chris is the author of Resilient and Redeemed, and his life’s work is rooted in deeply personal experiences: walking with his daughter through epilepsy and autism, facing his own long battle with depression and suicidal ideation, and learning...

In this episode, I sit down with Hunter Mobley—Enneagram teacher, lawyer, former pastor, and author of Letting Go, Finding You —to talk about what it really means to listen to your life, especially when it no longer fits the plan. Hunter’s story doesn’t follow a straight line. He started in law, pastored for six years, and now finds himself in a vocational mosaic—teaching Enneagram workshops, guid...

In this episode, Evan sits down with Kevin Rains—entrepreneur, former pastor, and the author of Profits and Purpose . After scaling a multi-location business and selling it to private equity, Kevin found himself drawn back into a different kind of leadership: coaching entrepreneurs, building a retreat center with his son, and walking with others through seasons of transition. Kevin opens up about...

In this episode, I sit down with Bob Gardner—a former pastor who’s walked through deep disruption, vocational loss, and the exciting work of reimagining what’s next. Bob shares what it was like to be let go from a church job just before Christmas—without warning and over a theological issue he didn’t see coming. It left him disoriented and heartbroken. But it also sparked an honest reckoning with...

In this episode, Evan sits down with Betsy Wills and Alex Ellison—co-authors of Your Hidden Genius and advocates for a radically hopeful approach to work and calling. Together, they unpack why so many people feel stuck in their careers, how we end up defaulting into the wrong roles, and what we can do to discover the innate talents we were wired with from the start. Drawing from decades of researc...

In this episode, Evan sits down with songwriter, poet, and thinker Andy Squyres—a voice that has been deeply resonant for those walking through doubt, grief, and the complexities of faith. Known for his honest lyrics and raw expressions of devotion, Andy unpacks the tension between belief and struggle, why he’s more hopeful than ever, and how he thinks the Church is undergoing a necessary and pain...

In this conversation, Joseph Lewin shares his journey of redefining calling, navigating unexpected career shifts, and finding purpose outside of traditional ministry. Growing up, he believed that full-time ministry was the only way to serve God. But as doors to traditional ministry remained closed, he found himself working manual labor jobs, launching businesses, leading marketing strategies, and...

In this conversation, Kathryn Maack , founder of Dwellings and author of Whole: The Life-Changing Power of Relating to God with All of Yourself , shares her journey of rethinking church, discipleship, and community. Kathryn’s story challenges traditional ministry models and offers a compelling vision for how believers can gather around God’s presence in a decentralized, organic way. She opens up a...

In this conversation, Conner Smith shares his journey of transitioning from pastoral ministry to the marketplace, navigating the identity shifts, uncertainties, and opportunities that come with such a move. He discusses the challenges of leaving a leadership role, the process of translating ministry skills into a new career, and the importance of keeping relationships intact even when stepping awa...

In this conversation, Tyler Reagin shares his journey as a leader, emphasizing the importance of curiosity in decision-making and navigating change. He discusses the challenges of insecurity and fear that often hinder leaders from pursuing their dreams and highlights the need for balance between hustle and rest. Tyler's insights are rooted in his experiences and faith, providing a framework for un...