The FOURTH PHASE PODCAST

Most men married to a narcissist don't know it. They just know something is wrong, and they've started to wonder if they're the crazy one. Phillip Dugas, founder of Narc Free Man, joins JJ and Kristel to break down the signs men miss: the covert narcissist's two personalities, the trauma bond that works like a slot machine, what growing up in that home does to your kids, why couple...

Every day in America, 1300 new step families are formed. 70% of them will not make it. We were almost one of those statistics. 8 kids, two broken families, one shot to get it right. In this episode, JJ and Kristel break down what they learned the hard way about blending two families, what the science says every child needs, and how to actually beat the odds. What we cover: Why 70% of blended famil...

Richard Grannon has spent decades helping people identify and escape one of the most damaging and least understood dynamics in human relationships: narcissistic abuse. With over 800,000 YouTube subscribers and a global following spanning military, law enforcement, and everyday people, Richard built his system from the ground up, starting in self-defense and martial arts, and following the pain poi...

Trevor Millar is the co-founder and COO of Ambio Life Sciences, one of the world's leading Ibogaine treatment centers. He has spent 15 years on the front lines of trauma recovery, co-authored peer-reviewed research with Stanford University on Ibogaine and traumatic brain injury, and appeared in the Netflix documentary "In Waves and War" following US veterans through their healing jou...

69% of women file for divorce. If you are a college educated woman that number jumps to 90%. So what is actually driving that? In this Swim Buddy episode JJ and Kristel break down what men and women are really longing for in a relationship, why couples disconnect without realizing it, and five things you can do this week to make your partner feel seen and valued. Topics covered: what men need to f...

Connection isn't soft. It's not weakness. It's not therapy talk. It's discipline. JJ and Kristel sit down for Swim Buddy episode #3 to break down the one thing that makes or breaks every relationship — connection. How you lose it. How you bring it back. Why it matters more than almost anything else. This episode is for the guy who thinks "connection" is for couples therap...

Dr. Kirk Parsley, former Navy SEAL turned physician, joins JJ Parma and his Swim Buddy Kristel, on The Fourth Phase Podcast to break down what's really destroying elite operators from the inside out. Kirk discovered something terrifying as the doctor at SEAL Team. 28-year-old elite athletes walking into his clinic with the hormonal profiles of 60-year-old men. Destroyed by sleep deprivation, A...

You can't show up to your marriage with a half-empty tank. In this Swim Buddy episode, JJ and Kristel get into the truth about self-care , why it's not selfish, why it's mission readiness for marriage, and how to support your partner without guilt or resentment. We disagree. We push back. We get to something real. If you've ever felt guilty taking time for yourself, or watched your...

Ian Urtnowski grew up in Coronado, California, a beach kid turned waterman, lifeguard, and entrepreneur who built URT from $700 and zero guarantees. In this episode, Ian opens up publicly for the first time about the personal battle that has shaped every decision he's made. A close friend of Navy SEAL Charlie Keating IV, killed in action on May 3, 2016, Ian turned grief into purpose. The Chuck...

In this first Swim Buddy episode, JJ and Kristel share the real story behind The Fourth Phase Podcast—why it took years to launch, what they went through to get here, and why the timing finally mattered. From divorce and life transitions to rebuilding, discipline, and connection, this episode breaks down what it actually means to start over—and why you’re never out of the fight. They introduce the...