Thomas B. Fordham Institute
The Education Gadfly Show
For more than 15 years, the Fordham Institute has been hosting a weekly podcast, The Education Gadfly Show. Each week, you’ll get lively, entertaining discussions of recent education news, usually featuring Fordham’s Mike Petrilli and David Griffith. Then the wise Amber Northern will recap a recent research study. For questions or comments on the podcast, contact its producer, Stephanie Distler, at sdistler@fordhaminstitute.org.
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Thomas B. Fordham Institute
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Jul 8, 2026
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Episodes
#824: Dana Suskind on supporting low-income parents in their children’s early years - 6/15/2022 15.06.2022 29:31
On this week’s Education Gadfly Show podcast, Dr. Dana Suskind, a pediatric surgeon and founder of the TMW Center for Early Learning + Public Health at the University of Chicago, discusses how social supports for low-income and working-class parents equalize opportunities for their young children later in life. Then, on the Research Minute, Amber Northern reviews two studies on whether there’s bia...
#823: How detrimental was remote learning? - 6/8/22 08.06.2022 24:59
On this week’s Education Gadfly Show podcast, Tom Kane, Harvard economist and director of its Center for Education Policy Research, explains the latest research on the disastrous—and inequitable—impact of remote learning on America’s students. Then, on the Research Minute, Amber Northern reviews a study on whether Black and Hispanic children with disabilities are placed in special education classr...
#822: Checker Finn: Why we need—and need to improve—NAEP - 6/1/22 01.06.2022 19:55
On this week’s Education Gadfly Show podcast, Checker Finn, the Fordham Institute’s president emeritus and a distinguished senior fellow, discusses recommendations for the National Assessment of Educational Progress from his new book, Assessing the Nation’s Report Card . Then, on the Research Minute, Amber Northern reviews a study on how a performance-based teacher pay policy in the U.K. impacted...
#821: Sec. Aimee Rogstad Guidera on the state of education in Virginia - 5/24/22 24.05.2022 26:01
On this week’s Education Gadfly Show podcast, Virginia Secretary of Education Aimee Rogstad Guidera discusses Governor Glenn Youngkin’s and her vision for education outlined in a state report titled Our Commitment to Virginians: High Expectations and Excellence for All Students . Then, on the Research Minute, Amber Northern reviews a study on efforts to improve the identification of gifted student...
#820: Social-emotional learning doesn’t have a hidden agenda - 5/18/22 18.05.2022 21:17
On this week’s Education Gadfly Show podcast, Robert Pondiscio, senior fellow at the American Enterprise Institute (AEI) and senior visiting fellow here at Fordham, discusses his wariness about social-emotional learning but rebuts the claim that it’s a “Trojan horse” for critical race theory. Then, on the Research Minute, Amber Northern reviews a study on how well teachers understand their pension...
#819: The pod on (pandemic) pods 5/11/22 11.05.2022 24:33
On this week’s Education Gadfly Show podcast, Ashley Jochim, a principal at the Center on Reinventing Public Education, joins Mike Petrilli to discuss her research on pandemic learning pods, what parents and educators liked about them, and whether they might outlive the Covid emergency. Then, on the Research Minute, Amber Northern reviews a study of how New York City’s charter schools are affectin...
#818: Kate Walsh on the state of teacher quality in America - 5/4/22 04.05.2022 22:27
On this week’s Education Gadfly Show podcast, Kate Walsh, who just finished a twenty-year run leading the National Council on Teacher Quality (NCTQ), joins Mike Petrilli to discuss America’s progress (and the lack thereof) on the teacher effectiveness front over the past two decades. Then, on the Research Minute, Amber Northern reviews a study finding that an AI-capable chatbot improved student co...
#817: Doug Lemov on rebuilding school culture amid a mental health epidemic - 4/27/22 27.04.2022 22:29
On this week’s Education Gadfly Show podcast, Doug Lemov, author of Teach Like a Champion, and co-managing director of the organization of the same name, joins Mike Petrilli to discuss his forthcoming book, Reconnect: Building School Culture for Meaning, Purpose, And Belonging . Then, on the Research Minute, Amber Northern reviews a study in Tennessee providing fresh evidence that high-performing...
#816: Want kids back in school? Make sure they feel safe. - 04/20/22 20.04.2022 18:40
On this week’s Education Gadfly Show podcast , Jing Liu, Assistant Professor in Education Policy at the University of Maryland College Park and author of our latest study, Imperfect Attendance: Toward a fairer measure of student absenteeism , joins Mike Petrilli to discuss its findings, the notion of “attendance value-added,” and how improving school safety could help keep kids in class. Then, on...
#815: Paul Hill vs. Checker Finn: Does Denver prove that portfolio districts are doomed? - 4/13/22 13.04.2022 24:10
On this week’s Education Gadfly Show podcast , Paul Hill, founder of the Center on Reinventing Public Education and emeritus professor at the University of Washington Bothell, joins Mike Petrilli and Checker Finn to debate recent reform setbacks in Denver, and whether they prove that portfolio districts are doomed. Then, on the Research Minute, Amber Northern shares good news from a study examinin...
#814: How Biden’s proposed regulations would hurt charter schools - 4/6/22 06.04.2022 24:10
On this week’s Education Gadfly Show podcast (listen on Apple Podcasts and Spotify ), Christy Wolfe, vice president for policy and planning at the National Alliance for Public Charter Schools, joins Mike Petrilli to discuss how new regulations proposed by the Biden administration could stunt the growth of charter schools across America. Then, on the Research Minute, Amber Northern examines a surve...
Education Gladfly Show: The literal research minute 01.04.2022 2:09
This week’s Education Gladfly Show podcast is a Research Minute–only special! Amber Northern examines a survey of district and charter network leaders about staffing challenges they’ve faced this school year—and true to the segment’s name, tries her mightiest to do so in under sixty seconds. Will she succeed? Listen to find out. (April Fools episode!) Related Content “ Young Cattle Auctioneer Cham...
#813: Rick Hess and Mike Petrilli on ed reform and culture wars - 3/30/22 30.03.2022 28:24
On this week’s Education Gadfly Show podcast (listen on Apple Podcasts and Spotify ), Rick Hess, Senior Fellow and Director of Education Policy Studies at the American Enterprise Institute and the cohost of the “Common Ground” podcast, joins Mike Petrilli and David Griffith to discuss how to advance an ed reform agenda in the midst of ongoing culture wars. Then, on the Research Minute, Amber North...
#812: How to follow the science to improve elementary education - 3/23/22 23.03.2022 22:14
On this week’s Education Gadfly Show podcast (listen on Apple Podcasts and Spotify ), Mike Petrilli, David Griffith, and Victoria McDougald discuss Follow the Science to School: Evidence-based Practices for Elementary Education , a new book that Mike edited with Kathleen Carroll and Barbara Davidson. They talk about the promise of evidence-based practices, the importance of elementary education, a...
#811: How one district scouts for talent for its gifted programs - 3/16/22 16.03.2022 24:13
On this week’s Education Gadfly Show podcast (listen on Apple Podcasts and Spotify ), April Wells, Gifted Coordinator in Illinois School District U-46 and author of Achieving Equity in Gifted Programming: Dismantling Barriers and Tapping Potential , joins Mike Petrilli and David Griffith to discuss how her district scouts for talented students early on, and from all backgrounds. Then, on the Resea...
#810: College for all or college for some? - 3/9/22 09.03.2022 27:28
On this week’s Education Gadfly Show podcast (listen on Apple Podcasts and Spotify ), Lizzette Gonzalez Reynolds, Vice President of Policy for ExcelinEd, joins Mike Petrilli and David Griffith to discuss the pros and cons of the college-for-all movement. Then, on the Research Minute, Amber Northern discusses a study on how winning public-school-choice lotteries affects public school enrollment. Yo...
#809: Diversity, the law, and the future of selective-admission schools - 3/2/22 02.03.2022 26:50
On this week’s Education Gadfly Show podcast (listen on Apple Podcasts and Spotify ), Fordham’s editorial director, Brandon Wright, joins Mike Petrilli and David Griffith to talk about the shifting landscape of highly-selective high schools. Then, on the Research Minute, Amber Northern discusses a study on teacher morale during the pandemic. You can find this and every episode on all major podcas...
#808: End school mask mandates. It’s now or never - 2/23/22 23.02.2022 23:38
On this week’s Education Gadfly Show podcast (listen on Apple Podcasts and Spotify ), Daniel Buck, Fordham senior visiting fellow and English teacher at Holy Spirit Middle School in Appleton, Wisconsin, joins Mike Petrilli and David Griffith to argue that the educational harms of face masks now outweigh their benefits. Then, on the Research Minute, Amber Northern discusses a study on whether alter...
#807: What are schools doing with their Covid relief dollars? - 2/16/22 16.02.2022 24:24
On this week’s Education Gadfly Show podcast (listen on Apple Podcasts and Spotify ), Thomas Toch, director of FutureEd, joins Mike Petrilli and David Griffith to discuss the ways schools are spending $123 billion in federal Covid relief. Then, on the Research Minute, Amber Northern discusses a study of how leaders are investing in the teacher workforce, and whether that aligns with the preference...
#806: On school boards, curriculum controversies, and a Parents’ Bill of Rights - 02/8/22 09.02.2022 29:22
On this week’s Education Gadfly Show podcast (listen on Apple Podcasts and Spotify ), Robert Pondiscio, Mike Petrilli, and David Griffith discuss a school board’s controversial removal of a holocaust book from its district’s curriculum, and whether states should create a Parents’ Bill of Rights. Then, on the Research Minute, Amber Northern examines a study of summer employment’s effect on the acad...
#805: High schools didn’t get the memo that college isn’t for everyone - 02/02/22 02.02.2022 22:38
On this week’s Education Gadfly Show podcast (listen on Apple Podcasts and Spotify ), Checker Finn, Mike Petrilli, and David Griffith discuss whether American education should stop trying to send every student to college, and what that may mean for high school course requirements. Then, on the Research Minute, Amber Northern examines a study on how universal school breakfasts affect disadvantaged...
#804: How charter schools are closing achievement gaps in metro areas - 01/26/22 26.01.2022 25:57
On this week’s Education Gadfly Show podcast, Andrew Campanella, president of National School Choice Week, joins Mike Petrilli and David Griffith to discuss Fordham’s latest charter school study, Still Rising , and how school choice helps students in traditional public schools, too. Then, on the Research Minute, Amber Northern examines a study of how pandemic-related school disruptions affect chil...
#803: John Bailey on Omicron and schools - 1/20/2022 19.01.2022 26:46
On this week’s Education Gadfly Show podcast , John Bailey, nonresident senior fellow at the American Enterprise Institute, joins Mike Petrilli and David Griffith to discuss Omicron’s impact on schools and whether the virus will soon be endemic. Then, on the Research Minute, Amber Northern examines a study about the most in-demand college majors. Recommended content: John Bailey’s daily Covid-19...
#802: Erica Green on the pandemic’s impact on high school students - 1/12/2022 12.01.2022 25:12
On this week’s Education Gadfly Show podcast (listen on Apple Podcasts and Spotify ), Erica Green, national education reporter at the New York Times , joins Mike Petrilli and David Griffith to discuss schools’ struggle to support teens’ mental health and respond to increasing misbehavior. Then, on the Research Minute, Amber Northern examines a study on whether improving access to dual-enrollment c...
#801: Grumpy New Year with Checker Finn - 1/5/22 05.01.2022 29:38
On this week’s Education Gadfly Show podcast (listen on Apple Podcasts and Spotify ), Checker Finn, Fordham’s senior fellow and president emeritus, joins Mike Petrilli and David Griffith to discuss the big education issues of the past year and look ahead to 2022. Then, on the Research Minute, Amber Northern examines a study showing that Black and Hispanic students are less likely to major in lucra...
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