Thomas B. Fordham Institute
The Education Gadfly Show
For more than 15 years, the Fordham Institute has been hosting a weekly podcast, The Education Gadfly Show. Each week, you’ll get lively, entertaining discussions of recent education news, usually featuring Fordham’s Mike Petrilli and David Griffith. Then the wise Amber Northern will recap a recent research study. For questions or comments on the podcast, contact its producer, Stephanie Distler, at sdistler@fordhaminstitute.org.
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Jul 8, 2026
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Episodes
#800: Why we need virtue education in our classrooms - 12/21/2021 22.12.2021 34:17
On this week’s Education Gadfly Show podcast, Jennifer Frey, associate professor at the University of South Carolina and a regular guest writer for Fordham’s Flypaper blog, joins Mike Petrilli and David Griffith to discuss why and how we should incorporate virtue education in classrooms. Then, on the Research Minute, Amber Northern runs down the best education research of 2021. You can find this...
#799: Build Back Better’s big impact on pre-k and child care - 12/15/21 15.12.2021 30:06
On this week’s Education Gadfly Show podcast , Elliot Regenstein, partner at Foresight Law + Policy and former member of Illinois’s Early Childhood Funding Commission, joins Mike Petrilli and David Griffith to discuss how the Build Back Better plan would affect pre-k and child care. Then, on the Research Minute, Amber Northern covers a study that examines why students of color benefit from having...
#798: Which metro areas are accelerating student learning? - 12/08/21 08.12.2021 26:51
On this week’s Education Gadfly Show podcast, Adam Tyner, Fordham’s Associate Director of Research, joins Mike Petrilli and David Griffith to discuss our new analysis, America’s Best and Worst Metro Areas for School Quality , some of which may surprise you. And on the Research Minute, Amber Northern examines the effectiveness of efforts to diversify the teacher workforce. Recommended content: Ford...
#797: Why debunked reading practices continue to spread - 11/30/21 30.11.2021 28:44
On this week’s Education Gadfly Show podcast, Sandi Jacobs, Principal at EdCounsel and former Senior Education Program Specialist for Reading First at the U.S. Department of Education, joins Mike Petrilli and David Griffith to discuss why reading programs based on debunked science persist in schools. Her answer: It’s complicated. Educators, in part, may struggle with the idea that they’ve been tea...
#796: What Glenn Youngkin’s election says about education politics today - 11/16/21 16.11.2021 32:20
On this week’s show, Andrew Rotherham, cofounder and partner at Bellwether Education partners, joins Mike Petrilli and David Griffith to discuss Glenn Youngkin’s election and what it means for education politics. He shared his thoughts about this on an interview for The 74, where he described the problem with Democrats ignoring parental concerns, in Virginia and nationally, about gifted education,...
#795: Why we should test in K–2 - 11/10/21 10.11.2021 23:54
On this week’s Education Gadfly Show podcast, Dale Chu , senior visiting fellow at Fordham and independent education consultant, joins Mike Petrilli and David Griffith to make the case for K–2 standardized testing. He wrote about this same topic earlier this month , noting that widespread distaste for such assessments would make implementing this change challenging. But he argued that the alternat...
#794: Universal pre-K seems imminent. Should we celebrate? - 11/4/21 04.11.2021 28:51
On this week’s podcast, Lindsey Burke, director of the Center for Education Policy at the Heritage Foundation, joins Mike Petrilli and David Griffith to discuss what the Democrats' still-in-the-works “social infrastructure” bill may mean for pre-K and childcare. On the Research Minute, Amber Northern examines how differences in parental beliefs across socioeconomic backgrounds affect educatio...
#793: How D.C. increased teacher diversity and quality - 10/28/21 28.10.2021 25:37
On this week’s podcast, Tom Toch, director of Future Ed, joins Mike Petrilli and David Griffith to discuss D.C.’s teacher-hiring strategy, and why other districts can and should follow suit. On the Research Minute, Amber Northern examines how teacher specialization in elementary schools affects student achievement. Amber's Research Minute NaYoung Hwang and Brian Kisida, " Spread Too Thin...
#792: NAEP scores were falling even before the pandemic. Was the Great Recession to blame? - 10/21/21 21.10.2021 25:36
On this week’s podcast, Checker Finn joins Mike Petrilli and David Griffith to discuss the last week’s worrisome NAEP results. On the Research Minute, Amber Northern examines whether stricter high school math requirements in the Nation at Risk era boosted college STEM attainment.
#791: Is this the end of gifted education in New York City? - 10/13/21 13.10.2021 31:51
On this week’s podcast, Brandon Wright, Fordham’s editorial director and coauthor of Failing Our Brightest Kids , joins Mike Petrilli and David Griffith to discuss Mayor Bill de Blasio’s recent move to overhaul gifted education in New York City. On the Research Minute, Amber Northern examines the distribution of school resources in America, and what it means for disadvantaged students. Amber'...
#790: Why boys flail - 10/07/21 07.10.2021 29:40
On this week’s podcast, education writer Richard Whitmire joins Mike Petrilli and David Griffith to discuss how boys’ education failure starts in the earliest grades. On the Research Minute, Amber Northern examines districts’ plans for remote learning during the pandemic.
#789: Too many lost Einsteins - 9/30/21 30.09.2021 26:35
On this week’s podcast, Scott Imberman, professor at Michigan State University, joins Mike Petrilli and David Griffith to discuss the new study he conducted for Fordham exploring the inequitable outcomes for early high achievers in Ohio. On the Research Minute, Amber Northern examines how admission to a high-quality charter school affects students’ voting patterns later in life.
#788: Has the pandemic caused an exodus to charter schools? - 9/23/21 23.09.2021 26:38
On this week’s podcast, Debbie Veney, Senior Vice President at the National Alliance for Public Charter Schools, joins Mike Petrilli and David Griffith to discuss her new report on Covid-era enrollment trends in charter and traditional public schools. On the Research Minute, Amber Northern examines the prevalence and use of industry-recognized-credential programs in high schools.
#787: How the Delta variant is impacting back-to-school season - 09/16/21 16.09.2021 28:27
On this week’s podcast, John Bailey, nonresident senior fellow at AEI, joins Mike Petrilli and David Griffith to discuss how students’ transition back into classrooms is going in the face of the Delta variant and battles over vaccine, mask, and quarantine policies. On the Research Minute, Amber Northern examines the unique characteristics of gifted programs. And check out our conversation with Joh...
#786: Research deep dive: The impact of school voucher programs - 09/09/21 09.09.2021 30:22
On this week’s podcast, Patrick Wolf, Distinguished Professor at the University of Arkansas, joins Mike Petrilli and David Griffith on the fifth edition of our Research Deep Dive series to discuss the impact of voucher programs—both on participating students and on kids in nearby public schools . Also check out our other deep dives on teacher effectiveness , school discipline , school closures , a...
#785: Helping students fight disinformation online - 09/2/21 01.09.2021 28:38
On this week’s podcast, Peter Warren Singer, strategist and senior fellow at New America and defense policy expert, joins Mike Petrilli and David Griffith to discuss the Cyber Citizenship Initiative, which helps build students’ resilience to digital misinformation . On the Research Minute, Amber Northern examines how different teacher preparation programs impact graduates’ classroom effectiveness.
#784: Remote learning worked well for some students. What schools can learn from that. - 08/26/21 26.08.2021 24:26
On this week’s podcast, Alyson Klein, assistant editor and education writer at Education Week , joins Mike Petrilli and David Griffith to discuss why some students thrived in virtual schooling and what brick-and-mortar schools might learn from that. On the Research Minute, Amber Northern examines how school reopening decisions affect enrollments.
#783: One teacher’s call for choice and content-rich curricula - 08/19/21 19.08.2021 25:43
On this week’s podcast, Daniel Buck, a teacher and Fordham’s newest senior visiting fellow, joins Amber Northern and Brandon Wright to discuss the importance of a strong curriculum, the inherent value in school choice, why he teaches, and more . On the Research Minute, Adam Tyner examines the connection between college applicants’ essay topics and their household incomes and SAT scores.
#782: Whatever you do, don’t call it social and emotional learning - 08/12/21 12.08.2021 25:48
On this week’s podcast, Adam Tyner and David Griffith discuss the Fordham report Adam just authored on parental attitudes toward and the politics of social and emotional learning . On the Research Minute, Amber Northern examines how school-based mentoring affects academic success and post-secondary attainment.
#781: The House Democrats’ attack on charter schools - 08/04/21 04.08.2021 25:52
On this week’s podcast, Ron Rice, senior director of government relations at the National Alliance for Public Charter Schools, joins Mike Petrilli and David Griffith to discuss the House’s recently passed spending bill.
#780: The state of teacher licensure - 07/28/21 28.07.2021 27:44
On this week’s podcast, Kate Walsh, president of the National Council on Teacher Quality, joins Mike Petrilli and David Griffith to discuss NCTQ’s new analysis on teacher licensure tests . On the Research Minute, Amber Northern examines the importance of informational text, be it oral, written, or visual.
#779: How districts are spending federal aid - 07/21/21 21.07.2021 23:01
On this week’s podcast, Bree Dusseault, practitioner-in-residence at the Center on Reinventing Public Education, joins Mike Petrilli and David Griffith to discuss how large school systems are spending their federal pandemic aid dollars. On the Research Minute, Amber Northern examines how much remote learning harmed students socially, emotionally, and academically.
#778: The virus isn’t done with schools - 07/14/21 14.07.2021 24:13
On this week’s podcast, John Bailey, a nonresident senior fellow at AEI, joins Mike Petrilli and David Griffith to discuss the Delta variant’s likely impact on school reopenings this fall. On the Research Minute, Olivia Piontek examines how stand-alone technical high schools affect students’ short- and long-term outcomes.
#777: O-H-I-O: School reform victories in the Buckeye State - 07/08/21 08.07.2021 28:40
On this week’s podcast, Chad Aldis, Fordham’s vice president for Ohio policy, joins Mike Petrilli and David Griffith to discuss the big ed reform victories this past legislative session on private school choice, charter schools, and accountability . On the Research Minute, Amber Northern examines how parents use education savings accounts.
#776: Can curriculum reform succeed where the rest of standards-based reform failed? - 07/01/21 01.07.2021 25:32
On this week’s podcast, Morgan Polikoff, Associate Professor of Education at USC, joins Mike Petrilli and David Griffith to discuss his new book, Beyond Standards: The Fragmentation of Education Governance and the Promise of Curriculum Reform. On the Research Minute, Amber Northern examines how the spread of universal free meals affects students’ perceptions of safety.
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