Thomas B. Fordham Institute

The Education Gadfly Show

For more than 15 years, the Fordham Institute has been hosting a weekly podcast, The Education Gadfly Show. Each week, you’ll get lively, entertaining discussions of recent education news, usually featuring Fordham’s Mike Petrilli and David Griffith. Then the wise Amber Northern will recap a recent research study. For questions or comments on the podcast, contact its producer, Stephanie Distler, at sdistler@fordhaminstitute.org.

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Thomas B. Fordham Institute

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Education

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fordhaminstitute.org

Latest episode

Jul 8, 2026

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Episodes

#874: How to build a continuum of advanced learning opportunities, with Nick Colangelo 14.06.2023

On this week’s Education Gadfly Show podcast, Nick Colangelo of the University of Iowa joins Mike Petrilli and David Griffith to discuss the recommendations in the new report from the National Working Group on Advanced Education. Then, on the Research Minute, Amber discusses a California study that investigates how within-school differences in school quality contribute to educational achievement g...

#873: Private and charter school teachers are thriving, with Paul DiPerna 07.06.2023

On this week’s Education Gadfly Show podcast, Paul DiPerna of EdChoice joins Mike Petrilli and David Griffith to discuss the results from the EdChoice survey on teacher satisfaction and wellness across the district, charter, and private school sectors. Then, on the Research Minute, Amber discusses a study that investigates the negative long-term effects of Reading Recovery . Recommended content: “...

#872: The religious charter school debate, with Kathleen Porter-Magee 31.05.2023

On this week’s Education Gadfly Show podcast, Kathleen Porter-Magee of Partnership Schools—a network of Catholic schools in New York City and Cleveland—joins Mike Petrilli to discuss the debate over religious charter schools. Then, on the Research Minute, Amber discusses a Virginia study that compares labor market outcomes between community college students from higher and lower socioeconomic back...

#871: The severity of pandemic learning loss, with Tom Kane 24.05.2023

On this week’s Education Gadfly Show podcast, Tom Kane of Harvard University joins Mike Petrilli to discuss his findings from The Education Recovery Scorecard Project . Then, on the Research Minute, Amber discusses a New York City study that investigates how external principal hires and internal principal promotions affect various measures of school quality.   Recommended content: “Parents don’t u...

#870: The Great School Rethink, with Rick Hess 17.05.2023

On this week’s Education Gadfly Show podcast, Rick Hess of the American Enterprise Institute joins Mike Petrilli and David Griffith to discuss his new book, The Great School Rethink . Then, on the Research Minute, Amber discusses a Massachusetts study that found a connection between teachers’ scores on CTE licensure exams and the long-term earnings of their students. Recommended content: “How can...

#869: Strong long-term outcomes for English learners in Texas charter schools, with Deven Carlson 10.05.2023

On this week’s Education Gadfly Show podcast, Deven Carlson of Oklahoma University joins Mike Petrilli and David Griffith to discuss his new Fordham study on the outcomes of English learners who attend charter schools in Texas. Then, on the Research Minute, Amber discusses the prevalence of stackable credentials in Ohio and Colorado. Recommended content: Fordham’s new report: “Charter Schools and...

#868: Virginia’s new history and social science standards, with Andy Rotherham 03.05.2023

On this week’s Education Gadfly Show podcast, Bellwether co-founder and Virginia Board of Education member Andy Rotherham joins Mike Petrilli, David Griffith, and Amber Northern to discuss Virginia’s newly-approved history and social science standards. Then, on the Research Minute, Amber examines how test-based and non-test-based measures of teacher quality affect student outcomes. Recommended con...

#867: How Core Knowledge schools boost students’ reading comprehension, with Robert Pondiscio 26.04.2023

On this week’s Education Gadfly Show podcast, American Enterprise Institute senior fellow Robert Pondiscio joins Mike Petrilli and David Griffith to discuss a new study that shows that a curriculum rich in content knowledge can boost reading comprehension, especially for students from low-income backgrounds. Then, on the Research Minute, Amber looks at the impact of charter schools on private tuto...

#866: The challenges of implementing through-course assessments, with Scott Marion 19.04.2023

On this week’s Education Gadfly Show podcast, Scott Marion of the National Center for the Improvement of Educational Assessment joins Mike Petrilli and David Griffith to discuss the challenges of implementing through-course assessments, which would roll up two or three tests during the school year into a final score for accountability purposes. Then, on the Research Minute, Adam Tyner tells us abo...

#865: The challenges of parenting gifted children, with Gail Post 12.04.2023

On this week’s Education Gadfly Show podcast, Gail Post joins Mike Petrilli and David Griffith to discuss how parents can support their gifted children and advocate for their educational needs. Then, on the Research Minute, Amber looks at a Dallas program that used salary bonuses to attract and retain highly effective teachers at hard-to-staff schools. Recommended content: Gail’s new book: The Gif...

#864: Using team teaching to improve student outcomes, with Carole Basile and Brent Maddin 05.04.2023

On this week’s Education Gadfly Show podcast, Carole Basile and Brent Maddin from Arizona State University join Mike Petrilli and David Griffith to discuss how a new team-based staffing model could be good for students and teachers. Then, on the Research Minute, Adam Tyner discusses how selective high school admissions could change if schools looked at more than just test scores.  Recommended cont...

#863: How charter schools affect district resources, with David Griffith and Paul Bruno 29.03.2023

On this week’s Education Gadfly Show podcast, David Griffith and Paul Bruno join Mike Petrilli to discuss David’s new Think Again brief on whether charter schools drain resources from traditional public schools. Then, on the Research Minute, Amber discusses how academic mobility differs across student groups.  Recommended content: Think Again: Do charter schools drain resources from traditional pu...

#862: The education implications of Chicago’s mayoral election, with Natalie Neris and Hal Woods 22.03.2023

On this week’s Education Gadfly Show podcast, Natalie Neris and Hal Woods of Kids First Chicago join Mike Petrilli and David Griffith to discuss what Chicago’s mayoral run-off election between Brandon Johnson and Paul Vallas means for the city’s schools. Then, on the Research Minute, Amber looks at the effects of mindfulness-based programs on student mental health and resilience.  Recommended cont...

#861: The fight to lift the charter school cap in New York City, with Crystal McQueen-Taylor 15.03.2023

On this week’s Education Gadfly Show podcast, Crystal McQueen-Taylor of StudentsFirstNY joins Mike Petrilli and David Griffith to discuss the battle royale to lift the charter cap in New York City. Then, on the Research Minute, Amber looks at the effects of closing and restarting low-performing schools as charter schools in New Orleans and Baton Rouge. Recommended content: “Charter school expansio...

#860: Social media and kids’ declining mental health, with Michael Horn 08.03.2023

On this week’s Education Gadfly Show podcast, Michael Horn joins Mike Petrilli and David Griffith to discuss what schools can do to protect kids’ mental health and whether social media is making it worse. Then, on the Research Minute, Amber explores why schools seem to make more progress on math tests than reading tests. Recommended content: Michael Horn’s latest book, From Reopen to Reinvent: (Re...

#859: Eliminating honors classes won’t advance equity, with Scott Peters 01.03.2023

On this week’s Education Gadfly Show podcast, Scott Peters of NWEA joins Mike Petrilli and David Griffith to discuss why eliminating honors classes and other advanced education opportunities in the name of equity is a mistake. Then, on the Research Minute, Amber examines the connection between public school choice and adult criminality. Recommended content: “How one school district is balancing ex...

#858: The Trump and DeSantis culture war fixation, with Dale Chu 22.02.2023

On this week’s Education Gadfly Show podcast, Dale Chu joins Mike Petrilli to discuss whether Donald Trump and Ron DeSantis are focusing too much on divisive culture war issues in their education platforms. Then, on the Research Minute, Amber explains how higher test scores and college aspirations affected the long-term life outcomes of Massachusetts high schoolers.   Recommended content: “The GOP...

#857: The states leading the way in literacy, with Kymyona Burk and Tom Greene 15.02.2023

On this week’s Education Gadfly Show podcast, Kymyona Burk and Tom Greene of ExcelinEd join Mike Petrilli and David Griffith to discuss how Ohio, Mississippi, and other states are implementing research-based literacy policies. Then, on the Research Minute, Amber examines virtual charter schools’ effect on student achievement in Pennsylvania. Recommended content: The Mississippi study that Kymyona...

#856: Why education savings accounts won’t bring educational pluralism, with Ashley Berner 08.02.2023

On this week’s Education Gadfly Show podcast, Ashley Berner of Johns Hopkins University tells us why education savings accounts are unlikely to lead to educational pluralism. Then, on the Research Minute, Adam Tyner discusses a study on remediation for middle school students that had very different short-term versus long-term effects. Recommended content: “Will ESAs change America’s definition of...

#855: How states are fighting credential inflation, with Rick Hess 01.02.2023

On this week’s Education Gadfly Show podcast, Rick Hess of the American Enterprise Institute tells Mike Petrilli and David Griffith why we should be happy that an increasing number of states are eliminating college degree requirements for many jobs. Then, on the Research Minute, Amber tells us about the effect of mandatory pass/fail grading on college student performance. Recommended content: “Pen...

Education Gadfly Show #854: How districts should prepare for the coming school closures, with Tim Daly 25.01.2023

On this week’s Education Gadfly Show podcast, Tim Daly of EdNavigator tells Mike Petrilli and David Griffith how districts should prepare for looming school closures. Then, on the Research Minute, Amber explains the effect of worker displacement on college enrollment.  Recommended content: “We need to prepare now for the school closures that are coming” — Tim Daly “America’s public schools are los...

Education Gadfly Show #853: The Supreme Court and religious charters schools, with Nicole Garnett 18.01.2023

On this week’s Education Gadfly Show podcast, Mike Petrilli and David Griffith talk with Nicole Garnett , a professor at the University of Notre Dame Law School, about the Supreme Court decisions that could legalize religious charter schools. Then, on the Research Minute, Amber reports on a literature review about inclusion for special education students.  Recommended content:  “Supreme Court Open...

Education Gadfly Show #852: New Year’s resolutions for America’s schools, with Robert Pondiscio 11.01.2023

On this week’s Education Gadfly Show podcast, Mike Petrilli and David Griffith talk with Robert Pondiscio of the American Enterprise Institute about what schools should resolve to do better—and resolve to do less of—in 2023. Then, on the Research Minute, Amber tells us about the effect of school-based telemedicine clinics on student outcomes. Recommended content: “Artificial intelligence is not th...

Education Gadfly Show #851: The case for teaching writing in the age of ChatGPT, with Checker Finn 04.01.2023

On this week’s Education Gadfly Show podcast, David Griffith talks with Checker Finn about why we should still teach writing in the age of ChatGPT, a new AI-powered bot that can mimic human prose. Then, on the Research Minute, Amber tells us about the challenges of implementing academic Covid recovery interventions. Recommended content: ChatGPT , the writing bot discussed in this episode “Why lear...

Education Gadfly Show #850: 2022’s most important education stories, with Marc Porter Magee 21.12.2022

On this week’s special, year-end Education Gadfly Show podcast, Mike Petrilli looks back on 2022’s most important education stories with 50CAN founder and CEO Marc Porter Magee . Then, on the Research Minute, Amber counts down the year’s top academic studies on education. Recommended content: “Nation’s Report Card shows largest drops ever recorded in 4th and 8th grade math” — The 74 “Gov. Bill Lee...

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