Thomas B. Fordham Institute

The Education Gadfly Show

For more than 15 years, the Fordham Institute has been hosting a weekly podcast, The Education Gadfly Show. Each week, you’ll get lively, entertaining discussions of recent education news, usually featuring Fordham’s Mike Petrilli and David Griffith. Then the wise Amber Northern will recap a recent research study. For questions or comments on the podcast, contact its producer, Stephanie Distler, at sdistler@fordhaminstitute.org.

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Thomas B. Fordham Institute

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Education

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fordhaminstitute.org

Latest episode

Jul 8, 2026

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Episodes

#899: The District of Columbia’s voucher program turns twenty, with Kara Arundel 13.12.2023

On this week’s Education Gadfly Show podcast, Kara Arundel, a senior reporter at K-12 Dive, joins Mike to discuss two decades of private school choice in D.C. Then, on the Research Minute, Amber reports on a new study investigating the success of science-of-reading interventions in California. Recommended content: “‘Opportunity’ knocked—and stayed: Two decades of private school vouchers in the nat...

#898: How much competition public schools face, with Jeanette Luna 06.12.2023

On this week’s Education Gadfly Show podcast, Jeanette Luna, a production and research associate at the Fordham Institute, joins Mike to discuss the competitive pressures facing America’s largest school districts. Then, on the Research Minute, Amber reports on a new study investigating whether post-Covid grade inflation has begun to recede. Recommended content: “The education competition index: Qu...

#897: Addressing grade inflation, with Tim Daly 29.11.2023

On this week’s Education Gadfly Show podcast, Tim Daly, the CEO of Ed Navigator, joins Mike to discuss the causes and harms of grade inflation—and how to fix it. Then, on the Research Minute, Amber reports on a new study that investigates whether exposure to certain peers and teachers explains achievement gains resulting from enrollment in early algebra. Recommended content: “Grade inflation is lo...

#896: The fiscal cliff and teacher layoffs, with Chad Aldeman 15.11.2023

On this week’s Education Gadfly Show podcast, Chad Aldeman, the founder of Read Not Guess and a columnist for The 74 , joins Mike to discuss how the end of COVID relief funds could cause a wave of teacher layoffs. Then, on the Research Minute, Amber reports on a new study investigating whether schools gamed their academic gains during No Child Left Behind. Recommended content: “Schools could lose...

#895: Knowledge and the science of reading, with Natalie Wexler 08.11.2023

On this week’s Education Gadfly Show podcast, Natalie Wexler, host of the Knowledge Matters podcast, joins Mike to discuss the connection between knowledge building and reading comprehension. Then, on the Research Minute, Amber covers a new study on the efficacy of college and workforce partnerships in the P-Tech high school model. Recommended content: “The science of reading isn’t just ‘phonics,’...

#894: The victims of grade inflation, with Tim Donahue 01.11.2023

On this week’s Education Gadfly Show podcast, Tim Donahue, an English teacher at the Greenwich Country Day School, joins Mike to discuss who loses when grades are inflated. Then, on the Research Minute, Amber reports on a new study that examines if Tennessee’s new school funding law really is progressive. Recommended content: “If everyone gets an A, no one gets an A” — Tim Donahue, New York Times...

#893: When to hold kids back, with Umut Özek and Louis Mariano 25.10.2023

On this week’s Education Gadfly Show podcast, Umut Özek and Louis Mariano, researchers at the Rand Corporation, join Mike to discuss whether grade retention helps or harms students. Then, on the Research Minute, Amber reports on a new study that examines if cash payouts can improve student attendance. Recommended content: “Think Again: Is grade retention bad for Kids?” — Umut Özek and Louis Marian...

#892: A solution to teacher shortages, with Kirsten Baesler 18.10.2023

On this week’s Education Gadfly Show podcast, Kirsten Baesler, the superintendent of North Dakota, joins Mike to discuss her state’s new teacher and principal apprenticeship programs. Then, on the Research Minute, Amber reports on a study that examines the accuracy and efficacy of school rating systems. Recommended content: “North Dakota to launch principal apprenticeship program” — The Bismarck T...

#891: The fight for school choice in the Lone Star State, with Denisha Allen 11.10.2023

On this week’s Education Gadfly Show podcast, Denisha Allen, a senior fellow at the American Federation for Children, joins Mike to discuss if school choice can win a victory in Texas’s special legislative session. Then, on the Research Minute, Amber reports on a new study that examines the shrinking wage premium for college degrees. Recommended content: “Advance school choice, because Black minds...

#890: How exclusionary zoning impedes educational opportunity, with Richard Kahlenberg 04.10.2023

On this week’s Education Gadfly Show podcast, Richard Kahlenberg, a senior fellow at the Progressive Policy Institute, joins Mike to discuss how zoning policies price poor people out of high quality schools. Then, on the Research Minute, Amber discusses new research that examines how up-front cash payments affect teacher recruitment and retention. Recommended content: “Excluded: How snob zoning, N...

#889: The trials and triumphs of charter schools over the past decade, with Nina Rees 27.09.2023

On this week’s Education Gadfly Show podcast, Nina Rees, the president and CEO of the National Alliance for Public Charter Schools, joins Mike to discuss the state of charters as she plans to step down after eleven years at the helm. Then, on the Research Minute, Amber discusses a new study on the power of teacher union endorsements in school board elections. Recommended content: “Gratitude for Ni...

#888: Building bridges in education reform, with Frances Messano 20.09.2023

On this week’s Education Gadfly Show podcast, Frances Messano, the CEO of NewSchools Venture fund, joins Mike to discuss the Building Bridges Initiative and its call to action, A Generation at Risk . Then, on the Research Minute, Amber discusses new research that finds that attending KIPP middle and high schools dramatically increases students’ rate of college completion. Recommended content: A Ge...

#887: Bringing accountability back to American education, with Checker Finn 13.09.2023

On this week’s Education Gadfly Show podcast, Checker Finn, Fordham’s president emeritus, joins Mike to discuss why and how to bring accountability back to American schools. Then, on the Research Minute, Amber discusses a new study that measures the differences in teacher effectiveness across generations. Recommended content: “The accountability conundrum” — Checker Finn “We can fight learning los...

#886: Achievement gaps among advanced students, with Adam Tyner 06.09.2023

On this week’s Education Gadfly Show podcast, Adam Tyner, Fordham’s national research director, joins Mike to discuss disparities by race and socioeconomic status among America’s highest achieving students. Then, on the Research Minute, Amber discusses a new report from the ACT that analyzes the evidence of grade inflation since 2010. Recommended content: “Excellence gaps by race and socioeconomic...

#885: Virtual teachers are back, with Linda Jacobson 30.08.2023

On this week’s Education Gadfly Show podcast, Linda Jacobson, a senior writer at The 74 , joins Mike to discuss why more students are attending in-person classes with a virtual teacher. Then, on the Research Minute, Amber discusses a new study on the minimally positive effect of summer school interventions designed to mitigate pandemic learning loss. Recommended content: “Exclusive data: Fueled by...

#884: Texas takes over Houston’s schools, with William McKenzie 23.08.2023

On this week’s Education Gadfly Show podcast, William McKenzie, a senior editorial advisor at the George W. Bush Institute, joins Mike to discuss the state takeover of Houston ISD and its crusading new superintendent. Then, on the Research Minute, Amber discusses a study that finds a Los Angeles public school choice policy increased academic achievement.  Recommended content: “What Mike Miles can...

#883: The student behavior crisis, with Daniel Buck 16.08.2023

On this week’s Education Gadfly Show podcast, Daniel Buck, Fordham’s editorial and policy associate, joins Mike and David to discuss the behavioral chaos in American schools post-pandemic. Then, on the Research Minute, Amber discusses a new study finding that pandemic-era declines in public school enrollment are likely to persist.  Recommended content: “The school discipline disaster” — Daniel Buc...

#882: Defending Mississippi’s literacy gains, with Rachel Canter 09.08.2023

On this week’s Education Gadfly Show podcast, Rachel Canter, the executive director of Mississippi First, joins Mike to debunk the allegations that her state fudged its notable gains in reading achievement. Then, on the Research Minute, Amber examines the failure of a federal student loan forgiveness program for teachers. Recommended content: “The truth about Mississippi’s NAEP gains” — Rachel Can...

#881: School choice, the science of reading, and other wins in Ohio, with Aaron Churchill 02.08.2023

On this week’s Education Gadfly Show podcast, Aaron Churchill, Fordham’s Ohio research director, joins David to discuss how the Buckeye State’s latest omnibus bill benefits education. Then, on Research minutes, Amber examines a study on whether attending high-performing charter schools reduces risky behaviors like drug use. Recommended content:  “Ohio lawmakers pass historic policies on charter sc...

#880: Everything wrong with California’s math framework, with Tom Loveless 26.07.2023

On this week’s Education Gadfly Show podcast, Tom Loveless, a former senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, joins Mike to discuss the problematic practices and research in California’s new mathematics framework. Then, on Research minutes, Amber discusses a depressing new report that finds a degradation in instructional quality that’s making it difficult to recover pandemic-era learning loss....

#879: Chatting about evidence-based chatbots, with Perpetual Baffour 19.07.2023

On this week’s Education Gadfly Show podcast, Perpetual Baffour, the research director at the Learning Agency Lab, joins Mike to discuss her creation of an AI Chatbot designed to give teachers and school leaders research-based advice. Then, on the Research Minute, Amber discusses a study covering the negative impacts on teacher pay of a Texas policy to expand alternative teacher certification. Rec...

#878: Our “savage inequalities” are no more, with Adam Tyner 12.07.2023

On this week’s Education Gadfly Show podcast, Fordham’s Adam Tyner joins Mike to discuss his latest report on the inequalities or lack thereof in education funding. Then, on the Research Minute, Amber reviews an evaluation of a teacher-led course for college advising. Recommended content: “Think Again: Is Education Funding in America Still Unequal?”— Adam Tyner “Another Nail in the Money Doesn’t M...

#877: Don’t overpromise on learning loss, with Jim Peyser 05.07.2023

On this week’s Education Gadfly Show podcast, former Massachusetts Secretary of Education Jim Peyser joins Mike to discuss education reform’s tendency to overpromise, and how we can avoid that in the fight against learning loss. Then, on the Research Minute, Adam discusses a study on how the pandemic affected the academic growth of high- and low-achieving students. Recommended content: “Settle for...

#876: The chronic absenteeism crisis, and what to do about it, with Alia Wong 28.06.2023

On this week’s Education Gadfly Show podcast, Alia Wong of USA Today joins Mike and David to discuss what’s causing chronic absenteeism and ways to fix it. Then, on the Research Minute, Amber discusses a California study that investigates the extent to which a small group of teachers exacerbates racial gaps in school discipline. Recommended content: “Showing up to school was hard amid COVID. Why a...

#875: Charter schools that help students earn college credentials, with Kevin Teasley 21.06.2023

On this week’s Education Gadfly Show podcast, Kevin Teasley, of the Greater Educational Opportunities Foundation, joins Mike Petrilli to discuss his charter high schools where students take dual-enrollment courses at local colleges and earn associate degrees. Then, on the Research Minute, Amber discusses a study that investigates how states’  early literacy policies affect reading and math achieve...

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