Dr. Ronn Johnson
The Divine Council Worldview Podcast
Welcome to the Divine Council Worldview Podcast, where hosts Ronn Johnson and Mike Chu honor the legacy of their late friend and colleague Dr. Michael S. Heiser (author of the best-selling book The Unseen Realm). Our interest is the Bible, studying it through the lens of its original authors and audience. We will specifically take notice of created divine beings and the role they play in the physical cosmos through the ultimate authority of Yahweh, the God of Israel. Join the fun conversation!
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Jul 5, 2026
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Episodes
EP116: John 19: What Really Happened at the Cross 05.07.2026 1:07:25
In this episode, Ronn and Mike explore John 19, focusing on the crucifixion of Jesus, its historical and theological significance, and the archaeological insights into the location of Golgotha. They analyze the biblical narrative, its fulfillment of prophecy, and the spiritual implications of Jesus' death. See Details of the DCW Conference: https://brushfire.com/heiserfoundation/dcw26/631039
EP115: Jesus, Legion, and Yahweh's War Against the Gods 28.06.2026 1:32:22
What if biblical geography is theology? Scott from Blk Shp Bible Talk unpacks Jesus' crossing into Gentile territory, Legion, spiritual warfare, and the cosmic geography of Mark's Gospel—then connects the Exodus, plagues, archaeology, and Egypt's decline to a larger story of Yahweh reclaiming the nations. Book: Dynasty of Slaves: https://a.co/d/004VG6eZ Substack: https://blkshpbible.substack.com/...
EP114: Theosis, the Incarnation & Idols (Q&A #21) 21.06.2026 54:46
In this episode of the Divine Council Worldview Podcast, Ronn and Mike delve into various theological questions, exploring the concepts of theosis and deification, the significance of Jesus' first miracle of turning water into wine, the humor present in Jesus' life, the implications of the incarnation, and the understanding of idols in spirituality. Each topic is examined with depth and insight, p...
EP113: What Orthodoxy & Mormonism Get Right (And Wrong) (Q&A #20) 14.06.2026 58:03
In this episode of the Divine Council Worldview Podcast, Ronn and Mike engage in a deep exploration of the concept of theosis, comparing its interpretations in Eastern Orthodoxy and Mormonism. They discuss the implications of salvation as a transformative process that integrates believers into God's family and the significance of exorcisms in the New Testament as a reflection of the cosmic battle...
EP112: Exploring Allies of Majesty RPG 07.06.2026 1:29:35
Angels, Watchers, divine councils, and holy imagination collide in this conversation with Anthony Diastello. Through his game "Allies of Majesty", we explore how biblical stories, DCW, and Christian fantasy can open fresh ways to understand the Spirit realm, engage theology, and tell stories rooted in ancient faith. Amazon link to book: https://a.co/d/06jel1Qw Discord info: https://discord.gg/kV9Z...
EP111: Satan, Sacrifice & the Name of God (Q&A #19) 31.05.2026 1:05:20
In this episode of the Divine Council Worldview Podcast, hosts Ron Johnson and Mike Chu engage in a thought-provoking discussion on theological questions submitted by listeners. The conversation begins with an exploration of the concept of atonement, particularly the terms 'ransom' and 'redemption' as they relate to Jesus' death. They delve into the nuances of biblical language and interpretation,...
EP110: John 18: The Shocking Truth Behind Jesus' Final Hours 24.05.2026 56:48
In this episode of the Divine Council Worldview podcast, Ronn & Mike delve into John 18, exploring the final hours of Jesus' life. They discuss the transition from the high priestly prayer in John 17 to the events leading to Jesus' arrest, the significance of Judas' betrayal, and the metaphorical meaning of the 'cup' that Jesus refers to. The conversation emphasizes Jesus' humanity and the emotion...
EP109: What John 17 Reveals About God's Nature 17.05.2026 1:25:25
In this episode, Ronn and Mike explore the profound theological insights of John 17, Jesus' high priestly prayer, delving into topics like divine authority, the nature of the Trinity, sanctification, and the significance of sacred space. Join us for a deep dive into biblical theology and its implications for faith and understanding.
EP108: John 16: What Jesus Really Meant About the Holy Spirit 10.05.2026 55:32
In this episode, Ronn and Mike explore the biblical and theological insights regarding John 16, the Holy Spirit and the divine council worldview. Join them as they dive deep into biblical analysis, practical theology, and insights into spiritual rebellion and divine authority.
EP107: John 15: Can a Person Stop Abiding in Christ? 03.05.2026 1:02:47
In this episode, Ronn and Mike delve into significant theological themes, including the impact of Enlightenment rationalism on the supernatural worldview, the challenges faced by seminary training, and the historical context of worship. It also explores the philosophical aspects of God, the nature of covenantal relationships, and the ongoing quest for unity within the church amidst historical divi...
EP106: John 14: Jesus as the Way, Truth, and Life 26.04.2026 1:05:13
In this episode, Ronn and Mike discuss a new children's book on the Ten Commandments, explore the cultural context of family structures during Jesus' time, and emphasize the importance of understanding the relationship with God the Father. He delves into theological concepts such as the doctrine of two powers and the significance of knowing God relationally. The conversation also touches on the im...
EP105: John 13: The Dinner in Lazarus' Home 19.04.2026 1:16:29
In this episode, Ronn and Mike discuss the events and conversations recorded in John 13. Ronn began by recommending that the "dinner" of John 13:2 recalled the supper hosted in Lazarus' home (as described in 12:1-8) a week prior to Jesus' crucifixion and not during the final Passover evening. Jesus' "new commandment" to love others (13:34) was therefore to be understood in reference to his washing...
EP104: Inside Supernatural Encounters in Nigeria with Emmanuel Dania 12.04.2026 1:06:27
Join us as Emmanuel Dania shares powerful stories of supernatural encounters, street evangelism in Nigeria, and the transformative power of love and faith in ministry. Discover how faith moves mountains and impacts lives in profound ways.
EP103: Q&A Session #18 05.04.2026 43:28
In this episode, Ronn and Mike answer two questions sent in by listeners: 1) Would it be possible to think of Joseph (Genesis 37-50) as a partial fulfillment of the promises made to Abraham? It seems that some of the promises made to Abraham were satisfied through Joseph and his story. 2) Please explain whether God was "silent" during the period between the testaments. It sounds like he may not ha...
EP102: Q&A Session #17 29.03.2026 45:55
In this episode, Ronn and Mike answer two questions sent in by listeners: 1) Psalm 45 ultimately refers to Jesus, of course, but is it possible that the author originally intended it to be understood in terms of the coming messiah? 2) Please give a DCW opinion on the application of the word "righteous" to Jesus in such passages as Acts 3:14, 7:52, 22:14, and 1 John 2:1. THIS EPISODE IS SPONSORED B...
EP101: Q&A Session #16 22.03.2026 49:21
In this episode, Ronn and Mike answer two questions sent in by listeners: 1) What should we think about Roman Catholics who venerate Mary and give her titles that should be reserved for Jesus? Does God consider this idolatry? Or can God simply see this as an example of a loyal (righteous) person being unwittingly misled? 2) Why does Jesus say "ask and it shall be given"? Is this specifically for h...
EP100: Celebrating Legacy: Drenna Heiser-Hollander on Michael Heiser's Journey 15.03.2026 58:35
In this milestone 100th episode, the Divine Council Worldview podcast welcomes Drenna Heiser-Hollander, president of the Michael S. Heiser Foundation, for an intimate conversation about the man behind the scholarship. Drenna traces the journey she and Mike shared, from their early love story through the cross-country moves that shaped his calling, the years of relentless academic pursuit, and the...
EP099: Q&A Session #15 08.03.2026 47:46
In this episode, Ronn and Mike answer two questions sent in by listeners: 1) After the resurrection, NT writers rarely refer to Jesus simply by the name "Jesus" without attaching a title such as "Lord," "Christ," or "Jesus Christ." Is referring to Jesus without a title unintentionally minimizing early Christian confession about its messiah? 2) The story of 1 Kings 22, in which a spirit is sent by...
EP098: Q&A Session #14 01.03.2026 49:20
In this episode, Ronn and Mike answer two questions sent in by listeners: 1) Is the logic of hell (and eternal concious torment) consistent with God's justice? And if God's justice wasn't satisfied at the cross, it must be satisfied at some point, correct? 2) Could Jesus' teaching regrading loyalty to his Father be understood as a polemic against Israel's loyalty to created gods, especially Baal?...
EP096: Q&A Session #12 15.02.2026 1:03:43
In this episode, Ronn and Mike answer three questions sent in by listeners: 1) How does the origial meaning of Jeremiah 16:16 (including the idea of "fishers of men") relate to Jesus' use of the phrase in Mark 1:17? 2) Is it possible to trace the appearance of the serpent in Genesis 3 throiugh the rest of the biblical story? Is he, for example, the same being that tempts Jesus? 3) How did the gods...
EP095: Beginning the Passion Week 01.02.2026 1:14:20
In this episode, Ronn and Mike discuss John 12 as a theological and narrative hinge in the Gospel, situating it within the chronology of Passion Week while exploring its deeper implications for atonement, messianic expectation, and Gentile inclusion. They noted that early church councils never defined a single atonement theory, arguing instead for a flexible, text-driven, and retrospective underst...
EP094: John 11:45-57: The Gathering of Jesus' Family throuigh Death 25.01.2026 1:25:09
In this episode, Ronn and Mike complete the 11th chapter of John (verses 45-57). Their main point of discussion is Caiaphas' description of the meaning of the death of Jesus in vs.52: "he prophesied that Jesus would die for the nation, and not for the nation only, but also to gather into one the children of God who are scattered abroad." Ronn recommended that this "gathering" of Abraham's family w...
EP093: John 11:1-44: The Raising of Lazarus 18.01.2026 55:45
In this episode, Ronn and Mike enjoy the story of Lazarus' resuscitation in John 11:1-44. For several reasons found within this narrative, Ronn recommended that original readers would have been tempted to regard Lazarus as the "disciple that Jesus loved" referred to in later stories of John. A key element in this story, of course, was Martha's belief that Lazarus would "rise again in the resurrect...
EP092: Beyond Knowledge: When Theology Meets Real Life 11.01.2026 1:23:54
A raw, global conversation on applying theology to real life—addressing spiritual abuse, prison ministry, and a growing hunger for biblical understanding in Brazil. Sandra Alex and the hosts explore why translation, community, humility, and lived faith matter more than knowledge alone.
EP091: John 10: Jesus' Use of Psalm 82 04.01.2026 1:31:35
In this episode, Ronn and Mike work their way through John 10, starting with Jesus' self-identification as Israel's "good shepherd." They recommend that Jesus is thuf fulfilling the meaning of Ezekiel 34, which recalls the extended metaphor of Yahweh claiming to be Israel's ultimate shepherd. This leads to a necessary discussion of the issue of "divine agency," and how God could be seen working th...
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