The Australian Institute of Company Directors
The Dismal Science
Join the AICD's Chief Economist Mark Thirlwell GAICD for this weekly deep dive into the latest economic news from Australia and around the world. From interest rates to trade wars and everything in between, we have you covered.
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Jun 10, 2026
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Episodes
26 - Corona crisis 27.03.2020 37:48
Mark and Ivan discuss how bad the coronavirus crisis could get, what the impact might be on GDP and whether there is hope for flattening the curve.
25 - Unconventional wisdom 15.12.2019 20:28
Are there any positives to take from the latest GDP numbers? Is the RBA about to embark on QE? And is the property market back?
24 - Less than one 27.10.2019 23:51
With Mark back from holidays, we catch up on the RBA's historic rate cut early this month and do a Nobel edition of the number of the week.
23 - Culture eats strategy for Brexit 08.09.2019 37:40
Special guest Jamie Smyth of the Financial Times helps Mark and Ivan make sense of the Brexit omnishambles. This episode was recorded on 4 September, the day after Boris Johnson's government lost its majority in the House of Commons and the morning of the start of the fourth Ashes test.
22 - Oh, inverted world 28.08.2019 26:25
What the hell is an inverted yield curve and should we be worried? This episode was recorded on 22 August.
21 - The art of trade war 15.08.2019 35:22
Finally, we are back! New AICD chief economist Mark Thirlwell joins Ivan to talk about why Mark fell in love with economics, the US-China trade war, whether the RBA has failed and the AICD's number of the week. This comeback episode was recorded on 8 August.
20 - Scepticism with Chinese characteristics 07.06.2018 26:19
Stephen and Ivan catch up on the budget and discuss the fragile Chinese economy.
19 - iPhone X factor 25.01.2018 18:07
In the first episode of the year, Stephen and Ivan catch up on the 'boomy' November retail sales and the surprising midyear budget review.
(20)18 - HNY 31.12.2017 28:50
In this episode, recorded in early December, Stephen and Ivan look ahead to 2018. Will the Reserve Bank continue to stay its hand? Will wages growth finally pick up? And what's the outlook for the Australian and global economies?
17 - Retail of woe 16.10.2017 23:25
Stephen and Ivan talk about the 'terrible' August retail sales and the better than expected FY17 budget position.
16 - Change in the change 16.10.2017 30:58
In this catch-up episode recorded in September, Stephen and Ivan talk about June quarter GDP and the August jobs report. Then AICD policy adviser Matt McGirr comes in to explain the newly passed safe harbour reforms.
15 - I dream of Gini 09.09.2017 25:57
Stephen and Ivan talk inequality.
14 - Dollar dazzler 12.08.2017 24:29
Stephen and Ivan discuss the recent spike in the Australian dollar, what it means for the RBA's growth forecasts and whether you should be buying foreign currency for that overseas holiday now.
13 - Labour market Lowedown 28.07.2017 23:35
Stephen and Ivan do a close reading of RBA governor Philip Lowe's latest speech on the labour market.
12 - Take a minute 26.07.2017 23:07
Stephen and Ivan take look at why the minutes from the RBA board's July meeting moved markets, as well as the June jobs numbers.
11 - In the realm of the census 05.07.2017 24:26
For this comeback episode, we catch up on the latest economic data, Ivan asks for a pay rise and we dive into the census.
10 - BONUS EPISODE: Jeff Gramm talks shareholder activism 03.07.2017 53:20
In this bonus episode of The Dismal Science, Ivan interviews Jeff Gramm , hedge fund manager and author of Dear Chairman: Boardroom Battles and the Rise of Shareholder Activism . The book, which was on the AICD's summer reading list , traces the history of shareholder activism through eight famous shareholder letters and touches on many themes relevant to directors, including the relationship betw...
9 - Taxes, not axes 14.05.2017 27:48
It's our bumper Budget episode: axes are out, taxes are in. RIP 2014.
8 - Of budgets and birthdays 05.05.2017 25:48
It's Stephen's birthday and it's the budget! What a time to be the AICD Chief Economist. Discussed in this episode: [1:01] May RBA decision [1:14] Copy-and-paste March decision [1:40] April RBA decision [1:45] April RBA minutes [2:53] AICD Director Sentiment Index [3:35] 2H16 Director Sentiment Index [5:31] NAB March Business Survey [6:03] Consumer confidence still subdued [6:32] Treasu...
7 - On target 30.04.2017 25:31
This week Stephen and Ivan take credit for the Treasurer getting religion on debt and discuss inflation coming back within the Reserve Bank's target range. Discussed in this episode: [0:42] Treasurer's good/bad debt speech [1:00] Stephen on infrastructure debt [2:16] Morrison's 2016 position [3:43] Net operating vs net cash balance [3:55] Jim Chalmers' Better Budgeting [5:23] Operational...
6 - Talk infra to me 22.04.2017 25:43
This week Stephen and Ivan talk about making infrastructure sexy again, as well as the latest labour market data and the ongoing jobs/housing dilemma of the RBA. Discussed in this episode: [0:59] February jobs disaster [1:11] Stephen on the March jobs numbers [1:48] Jobs report sceptics [2:35] 2014 ABS error [3:42] April RBA minutes [5:42] ANZ's job ads data [5:54] NAB business survey [7:03] Pol...
5 - The Blueprint 08.04.2017 24:41
This week Stephen and Ivan talk about the regulator crackdown on interest-only loans and the AICD's Blueprint for Growth , which outlines our national reform agenda. Discussed in this episode: [0:46] APRA interest-only loan crackdown [0:57] RBA Governor's property warning [1:14] Bank executive comments [1:33] APRA's original 2014 restrictions [3:44] RBA's April interest rate decision [4:05] Counci...
4 - Safe harbour 31.03.2017 22:06
On this episode of The Dismal Science, Stephen and Ivan talk Brexit and welcome their first guest, AICD Senior Policy Adviser Lysarne Pelling, who came in to discuss proposed safe harbour laws that could save companies from painful insolvencies. Discussed in this episode: [0:59] UK triggers article 50 [1:15] Stephen's reaction the day of the Brexit vote [1:35] Maastricht Treaty [2:09] >50% of UK t...
3 - Is it a bubble? 24.03.2017 21:51
In this special episode of The Dismal Science, Stephen and Ivan discuss the housing market. Is it a bubble? Should regulators be concerned? And what can we do to make housing more affordable? Discussed in this episode: [0:48] Avocado toast [0:57] Housing affordability in the budget [4:49] Australian household debt [6:29] APRA concerns (paragraph 5) [6:55] RBA's subtle shift on housing [9:28]...
2 - Jobs disaster Video 17.03.2017 19:29
In the second episode of the AICD's new weekly economics podcast, Stephen and Ivan discuss the 'disaster' that was the February jobs numbers, Western Australia's economy post mining boom and the AICD's number of the week.
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