The L Suite

The Data Protection Breakfast Club with Andy & Pedro

Frank conversations with GCs, CPOs, Product and Policy Leaders around navigating the technology ecosystem, hosted by Andy Dale, General Counsel & Chief Privacy Officer at OpenAP and Pedro Pavón, Privacy & Data Policy at Meta. The Data Protection Breakfast Club is produced by L Suite, an executive peer community for CLOs & GCs to make better, faster decisions. Learn more @ https://www.lsuite.co/

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The L Suite

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Technology

Podcast website

www.techgc.co

Latest episode

Jul 1, 2026

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Episodes

"More Roses" 01.07.2026

Andy and Pedro discuss the comments by the Pope, Anthropic and various thinkers on AI's purpose, meaning, regulation and place in life now and in the future.

"The Dormant Commerce Clause and the Central Hudson Test" 15.04.2026

Michael Dolan the CPO @ Best Buy, has had a career spanning privacy, cybersecurity, public policy and risk management more generally. He has worked in legal counsel and executive roles at some of the most complex businesses in the US with challenging regulatory and legal frameworks. Michael and the guys discuss e-commerce, the First Amendment, brick/mortar business related data challenges, retail...

"Agentic Bros" 25.03.2026

Shri Bhupathi, CEO/Co-Founder of Mill5 in Boston joins Andy and Pedro for a discussion about Agentic AI and its future impact on the economy, tech companies, data governance and scaling.

"On Robots..." 11.03.2026

The guys have an existential chat about Robots!

"The Robot Butler is Asleep in the Garage" w/ Ben Chapman 25.02.2026

The guys welcome Ben Chapman the GC/CPO @ Swoop a fast growing provider of data used by companies large and small for pharma ad campaigns. Its a tricky space to navigate but Ben and Swoop are doing so in a very thoughtful, clear way.

"So Many Ways to Lose" w/ Gary Kibel 14.01.2026

Andy and Pedro chat with old friend and longtime adtech lawyer Gary Kibel from Davis & Gilbert. The conversation covers the changes coming in technology and impact on the law, remote work, mentorship and how to be a Mets fan and survive.

"Hollywood Physicists, Math Class, and the Overcooked Turkey in the EU" w/ Andy & Pedro 03.12.2025

A&P wrap up 2025 reflecting on AI growth and innovation. They also dive into the path towards potentially big shifts in 2026 and what we can expect or hope for from regulation.

"The CPO Who Drives a '56 Thunderbird" w/ Kristin Jones 12.11.2025

The guys chat with Kristin Jones the Chief Privacy Officer at Ford Motors about the privacy challenges for auto makers and using cutting edge tech to deliver great driving experiences. There is a lot of car talk in this one, so if you're a gearhead this ep is for you!

"AI Wash, AI Dry" w/ Andy & Pedro 24.09.2025

After a summer break, A&P are back at it, discussing AI's impact on tech companies, lawyers and plicy teams. Pedro is moving soon, so this may be the last episode presided over by Tupac!!

"Not Everyone needs a Rolls Royce" w/ Rebecca MacVittie 25.06.2025

A&P are joined by Rebecca MacVittie the GC @ Newstore. Newstore is backbone technology enabling global e-commerce for brands like Burton, Marine Layer, Birkenstock and other popular D2C brands. Rebecca had a unique pathway to the GC seat and we will discuss how these experiences helped her pave the way forward and how the diversity of experience is a plus as a GC.

"The Appalachia Trio" w/ Andy & Pedro 11.06.2025

A&P talk about their favorite things in work, life, privacy, tech, AI, snacks, books and more.

"The Backyard Dollhouse" w/ Andrew Woods 21.05.2025

A&P are joined by Andrew Woods, the GC of AdTech company PubMatic, formerly of Twitter. Andrew’s origin story can be heard on the 2/22/23 Episode. This conversation focuses on the changing economic model of the internet and AI's massive impact on our future and the future of ads/privacy.

"The Patchwork" w/ Keir Lamont 07.05.2025

A&P chat with Keir Lamont, Senior Director of the Future of Privacy Forum’s U.S. Legislation team. In this role he supports research and independent analysis concerning federal, state, and local consumer privacy laws and regulations. Notably Keir releases updates on a fortnightly cadence on State and Federal Privacy Legislation and is one of the people most closely tracking development @ the s...

"Shout Out to the Cable Companies for Being Patient" w/ Julia Shullman 09.04.2025

The guys are joined by longtime friend Julia Shullman. She’s stepped into a role in the advertising tv space with Telly an innovative company that is also developing an actual TV that si free for consumers, with a transparent data driven ad delivery system attached. The discussion also covers the current TV advertising environment and the dynamism brought about by streaming platforms, internet of...

"Wolves on Steroids" w/ Chris Sands 12.03.2025

Andy and Pedro sit down with Chris Sands, former CMO of the L Suite (TechGC) to discuss his new role establishing a community based recruiting function and executive hiring in general.

"We're Too Old for Sesame Street" w/ Val Ilchenko 26.02.2025

Andy & Pedro chat with Val Ilchenko, GC/CPO @ TrustArc, one of the leading privacy technology companies. Val helped create and grow the privacy programs @ GoTo and LogMeIn before moving into his current role. The guys chat about the unique fun and challenges of your first leadership role in legal/privacy.

"M&A, IPOs and Commander's Palace" w/ Kathleen Patton 05.02.2025

Andy & Pedro sit down with Kathleen Patton, a GC who has literally seen it all and done it all in her impressive career. The convo targets some of the biggest issues when leading an IPO and M&A deals, but also touches on her style of confident leadership that all in-house lawyers ought to model and learn from. In addition to her stints inside companies, she also maintains a clear priority...

"Looking Forward to the Greenland Data Protection Act" w/ Pedro & Andy 22.01.2025

Andy and Pedro discuss the current climate for tech companies and the impact of an administration change in the US. They also touch on the 2025 outlook for AI tools, privacy laws and how to advise clients in this environment.

“The Human Dimension: Hiring, Mentoring and Team Leadership” w/ Susan Rohol and Anne Bradley 02.01.2025

Andy & Pedro are joined by some great friends and incredible privacy/legal leaders Anne Bradley FPF fellow/startup advisors/founder and former Nike/Hulu CPO and Susan Rohol partner @ Willkie Farr and former Warner/Discovery CPO. We chat about hiring, mentoring and the challenges/rewards of both!

“I’m Looking for the Trader Joe’s of Law Firms” w/ Rob Morvillo 04.12.2024

Andy & Pedro are joined by a good friend of the pod, Rob Morvillo - Chief Legal Officer @ Olo. The discussion focuses on the in-house lawyer’s relationship with their outside law firm counsel and how this has evolved over time.

"McPrivacy” w/ Alan Chapell 13.11.2024

Andy and Pedro chat with their good friend Alan Chapell, longtime AdTech privacy lawyer and one of the key voices in the overlap between AdTech and competition law.

"Hal from the Appliances Department" w/ Pedro & Andy 23.10.2024

Andy and Pedro discuss the importance of putting yourself out there in your career by speaking, writing and engaging in public conversations. They also bat around some really important concepts like what to watch on flights, motorcycle meditation and the best privacy pros to hear speak at events.

“Episode 100! Sharp Paintbrushes” w/ Andy & Pedro 04.09.2024

Andy and Pedro celebrate the 100th episode of DPBC! They discuss the future of tech companies in the EU, focusing on data protection regulations and the challenges these companies face. Thank you for listening!

"Yankees Hat at a Red Sox Game" w/ Nubiaa Shabaka 10.07.2024

Nubiaa Shabaka combines a wealth of expertise in privacy/cybersecurity with a deep curiosity and love of learning/collaborating. It is a skill we have consistently seen in several big organization CPOs. And Nubiaa has had some of the biggest roles you can have in privacy/cyber at a mix of very complex organizations. Currently she is the VP, & Chief Cybersecurity Legal/Privacy Officer @ Adobe a...

“Breakfast is the Play” w/ Greg Raiten 19.06.2024

We last talked with Greg in October of 2021. In that episode we covered Greg’s law firm days, in-house career and formation of TechGC with his Co-Founder Kiran Lingam. We catch up with Greg again to discuss the growth of the L Suite and really just the impact of “community” on our work and life. And of course we will tackle the very important question of the best pizza in Brooklyn and Manhattan.

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