That's Not What That Means

In this episode, we dive into our story. From our awkward first encounters to the first time we said “I love you"... sort of. We talk about friendship before romance, the time Olyvia ghosted Aaron when things got weird, and how he somehow remembers everything wrong. Plus, we celebrate the little wins in our family life, like Aaron taking the girls on their own daddy-daughter dates. Get ready...

Olyvia and Aaron unpack what it’s like being married with wildly different TV taste. Olyvia’s world of reality TV and cult documentaries versus Aaron’s “boy shows” full of crime, spies, and serious soundtracks. They talk about the shows they obsess over together, the nights they stay up way too late because “just one more episode,” and how those shared shows slowly turn into a whole language. Insi...

We’re back! Season Two of That’s Not What That Means kicks off with chaos, confessions, and a teenager behind the wheel. As our oldest starts learning how to drive, we take a hilarious look back at how we learned. Olyvia admits she’s still not exactly a good driver, while Aaron realizes he might be… slightly distracted behind the wheel. Buckle up, Season Two is officially rolling.

Are they best friends? Do they switch places? Can we tell them apart? In this episode, we sit down with our identical twin daughters to talk about what actually comes with twin life — from the weird questions strangers ask to the reality of sharing everything (including the spotlight). We also get real about what it’s like being twin parents — the good, the hard, the hilarious — and why “two-for-o...

Four kids, one dog, and a multi-state move — what could go wrong? In this episode, our friends Luke and Kimber join us to talk about what it’s like to follow God with open hands… and a packed SUV. From Phoenix to Mississippi, they drove through chaos, car snacks, and crazy roadside attractions — all while chasing a call to something new. We talk about obedience, flexibility, and how many bathroom...

Vacation You is not the same as Regular You — and when you’re married, both versions show up. In this episode, we talk about our very different travel styles: Olyvia packs like she’s moving out and plans to watch the world from an air-conditioned window, while Aaron packs light and wants to explore everything. From packing fails to vacation alter egos, we’re breaking down what happens when you try...

Some topics are heavier — and this one might stir something in you. We’re joined by our friend Bis-Kit, a social justice advocate with a heart for youth and the marginalized, for a conversation about what it really means to be “valuable” in a world that too often measures worth by productivity or status. We talk about ICE policies, cultural bias, and how the phrase “if they can contribute to socie...

In this episode, we’re talking therapy—why it terrified one of us, why the other thought it didn’t work, and how it ended up being more helpful (and weirder) than expected. Olyvia opens up about memory gaps and the fear of finding out too much, while Aaron shares what it was like feeling unheard in past counseling experiences. Plus, we cover important side topics like gagging over pills and the em...

This week, a simple disagreement about our kids not listening spiraled into something way bigger — because Olyvia had been bottling up a week’s worth of little frustrations. We unpack how unspoken stuff builds up, how misplaced emotion can take over, and how Aaron’s past sports meltdowns might’ve prepared him for marriage (kinda). It’s honest, it’s funny, and maybe a little too relatable.

Some things come up after the wedding — like the way Olyvia has the palate of a 10 year old, or how Aaron “hops” in his sleep.” In this episode, we’re talking about the quirky habits, weird phrases, and “how did I not know this before?!” moments that pop up in marriage. It’s the stuff no one warned us about in premarital counseling — and we’re glad they didn’t. It’s funnier that way…

Being friendly doesn’t mean being friends with ALL the people. In this episode, we talk about why it’s okay (and sometimes healthy) not to be close with everyone — while still showing kindness and love. Aaron flips the script this time with a story about Olyvia's questionable word choice, and we unpack what it means to set boundaries without guilt.

We’ve all heard it: “Don’t let the sun go down on your anger.” But does that mean every argument has to be resolved before bedtime—or else? In this episode, we unpack what that verse actually means, how it’s been misused in marriage advice, and share some real talk about late-night fights, and forced apologies. Plus, we discover Aaron's "new" favorite song, and why you'll definit...

In our very first episode, we’re diving into why this podcast exists — and it all started because Aaron kept using words wrong. But it goes deeper. We talk about what we thought marriage meant when we first got started, how miscommunication has shaped our relationship (and nearly broke it), and why learning to laugh has saved us more than once. Welcome to That’s Not What That Means!

Welcome to That’s Not What That Means — the podcast where miscommunication meets marriage, Bible study, and real life. We’re Olyvia and Aaron, married 20 years, parents of three girls, and best friends who argue, laugh, and misunderstand each other on the regular. This trailer gives you a taste of what to expect: stories from our life, Bible verses people quote wrong (yes, even us), and why Aaron...