Jinni Xia

That's Not Real Climbing

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A glimpse into everything behind world of competition climbing. Hear from setters, organizers, athletes, and everyone in between to learn about this fast-growing sport! For further discussion, check out the comp climbing Discord at https://discord.gg/QTa668g8zp .

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Jinni Xia

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Sports

Latest episode

Jun 29, 2026

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Episodes

Ep 37: Tijl Smitz - POLITICS in the IFSC 24.03.2025

Tijl is currently the IFSC Europe president but he is now running for the president of IFSC with elections taking place in April. In this episode, we’ll learn about how IFSC politics works, hear about the changes he wants to make within the IFSC, and get his take on some hot topic issues like national federation quotas, RED-S testing, and the NEOM games. Guest links : Tijl’s Instagram Reference li...

Ep 36: Gregor Vezonik - RETIRING From Comp Climbing 10.03.2025

Gregor was a boulder & lead climber from team Slovenia but he recently retired a few months ago from competitions. In this episode, we’ll get insight into the powerful Slovenian team, how he made the decision to retire and all the planning around it, what it’s like climbing with Janja, and we get to hear him geek out about holds and hold shaping. Guest links : Gregor’s Instagram Reference link...

Ep 35: Anna Apel - PRESSURE and Expectations as a Young Climber 17.02.2025

Anna is a boulder & lead climber from team Germany and one of the younger athletes I’ve interviewed so far as she still competed in youth world champs last year. In this episode, we’ll talk about the differences between the youth and senior circuit, the pressure of expectations after FLASHING all qualis boulders in Innsbruck, and we get some insight into team Germany. Guest links : Anna’s Inst...

Ep 34: Rodrigo Hanada - From CHUBBY to World Cup Climber?! 03.02.2025

Rodrigo is a boulder & lead climber from team Brazil. He actually started climbing fairly recently in 2018, but since then has been a 2x south american cup winner and is working his way up the ranks on the world cup circuit! In this episode, we talk about what makes training and climbing in Brazil difficult, how he feels like a “weaker” climber due to starting out as a chubbier kid, and mindse...

Ep 33: Niki & Jake - Routesetting + Hold HOT TAKES 20.01.2025

Niklas Wiechmann and Jake Mason are routesetters from "Another Setting Podcast" but you may already be familiar with them because Niki was my FIRST ever podcast guest and you are probably familiar with Jake from the Bouldering Bobats. In this episode, we absolutely TRASH US gym hold selection and setting, they give their opinions on worldwide setting styles, comp formats, and moves to LEAVE BEHIND...

Ep 32: Andy McVittie - Evolution of Climbing Injuries in Competition 06.01.2025

Andy is a climbing PT from Process Physiotherapy. He has been climbing for over 30 years, has coached in the past, and over time has noticed climbing injuries change as the style of climbing has evolved in the competition scene. In this episode, we'll debunk some training and PT myths, talk about the differences between male and female climbers and the types of injuries they face, and we’ll hear a...

Ep 31: Oceana Mackenzie - Shingles at the Olympics?! 09.12.2024

"She goes by Oce" is a boulder and lead climber from Australia! She's had an amazing 2024 season with her first world cup boulder medal in Prague, and also recently competed in her 2nd Olympics. In this episode, we'll learn about how she battled THREE health issues while competing in the Paris olympics, how Paris compared to Tokyo, her training with team Switzerland and making lead climbing gains,...

Ep 30: Tom Greenall - Ex-GB Head Coach Facing Public Backlash 11.11.2024

Tom is team GB’s ex-head coach! He personally coached Shauna Coxsey into getting her Tokyo Olympic ticket and has worked with the rest of team GB up until he left the national team earlier this year in April. In this episode, we'll learn about why he’s banned from the USA, the strategy for getting Shauna to qualify for the Olympics, and the politics and public backlash he faced working in the circ...

Ep 29: Sofya Yokoyama - How Puberty and Eating Changes Climbing 28.10.2024

Sofya is a boulderer on team Switzerland and she’s part of the wave of OG climbing Youtubers! In this episode, she gives us a debrief on her last comp of the 2024 season in Prague, we get some insight into team Switzerland and their potential upcoming funding issues, and she opens up about her past struggles with disordered eating and how she overcame it. Join Patreon for a welcome gift, deleted s...

Ep 28: Stanley & Zulazfar - The Pressure on IFSC Judges 14.10.2024

Another double-guest episode! Stanley is an IFSC event delegate and judge chair, while Zul is officially a newly minted IFSC judge. In this episode, we’ll talk about how to become an IFSC judge, hear about their relationships and interactions with athletes and coaches, and we’ll hear some crazy stories about their judging experiences under pressure and cancelling events due to rain like in Keqiao....

Ep 27: Jesse Grupper - Competing at the Olympics Injured 30.09.2024

Jesse is a boulder + lead climber (mostly lead climber) from the USA who is fresh from the Olympics! In this episode, he walks us through his entire Olympics experience, from training through his first ever finger injury, to balancing training with his engineering job, to meeting other athletes in the Olympic village. Join Patreon for a welcome gift, deleted scenes, and question priority: www.patr...

Ep 26: Olga Niemiec - Setting the Olympic Boulders 16.09.2024

Olga is an official IFSC routesetter, and she recently came back from Paris, where she helped set the Olympic boulder rounds. In this episode, we'll learn about what it takes to become an IFSC setter, what it was like setting at the Olympics and trying to make the rounds fair, and how she balances setting, training, and traveling all while being a single mother. Join Patreon for a welcome gift, de...

Ep 25: Allen Lactaoen - "Average" Climber to IFSC Athlete 02.09.2024

I know Allen from our climbing training class in San Diego, but he is also a boulderer for a brand new IFSC federation, Team Guam. In this episode, we'll learn about what it’s like competing on the world cup circuit as an “average” climber who only started climbing at 23 years old and works a full time engineering job. We’ll also hear about what it’s like as a NEW competitor competing in Innsbruck...

Ep 24: Madison Richardson - Competitiveness + Marrying a Teammate 19.08.2024

Madison is a boulderer for Team Canada and you may have seen her Youtube videos with her husband Zach on their channel, Richardsons Climbing. In this episode, we'll learn about the issues the Canadian climbing team faces such as not having a head coach, her “lose” streak when it comes to Canadian nationals, Youtube and deleting social media, and we’ll get her take on getting married young and rela...

Ep 23: Sebastian Depke - Getting Paraclimbing Into the Paralympics 05.08.2024

Sebastian is a German paraclimber. He is also the chair of the paraclimbing commission, and he worked on filing the application to get climbing into the Paralympics for LA 2028, which only recently got approved! In this episode, we'll learn about his journey accepting that his disease would affect his body and climbing forever, what the process was like for getting climbing into the Paralympics, t...

Ep 22: Noah Makaiwi - Hidden Heroes: Volunteer Belayers 15.07.2024

Noah is the Assistant National Belay Coordinator of USA Climbing and has volunteer belayed at events nationally and internationally at IFSC youth worlds in 2022. In this episode, we'll learn about how to get into volunteer belaying, some interesting tidbits on belay devices and catching falls that you may not have thought about before, what the differences are belaying different paraclimbers, and...

Ep 21: Ross Fulkerson - Mindset and Meditation Masterclass 01.07.2024

Ross is a boulder and lead climber on Team USA and you may be familiar with his Youtube channel where he documents his climbing adventures and shares coaching tips. In this episode, we'll learn about his bikepacking adventure that he skipped the first half of the 2024 world cup season for, hear about his struggle trying to balance competitions with his desire to travel and all his other hobbies, t...

Ep 20: Erin McNeice - Finding Sudden Success on the Senior Circuit 28.05.2024

Erin is a boulder and lead climber from team GB who has been having a stellar 2024 season so far, making finals for boulder in Keqiao, lead in Wujiang, and getting bronze in Shanghai OQS! In this episode, we’ll get some insight into how she seemed to rise out of nowhere, her brutal off-season training, we’ll learn a bit about team GB, and stay for the end to hear about where the Erin McBeast nickn...

Ep 19: Eddie Fowke - Tales from years on the IFSC circuit 14.05.2024

Eddie is an ex-IFSC photographer, who worked with them from 2014-2020. In this episode, we’ll get his thoughts on the ethics and purpose of photojournalism, hear about the chaos behind the scenes traveling around for world cups, and discuss ideas on how to get athletes better paid. Guest links : Instagram Reference links : Vail triangle pose Mia Krampl Koper incident Learn more about the podcast a...

Ep 18: Chloé Caulier - Belgian Bouldering and being a Muscular Climber! 22.04.2024

Chloé is a boulder and lead climber competing in the world cup circuit for the Belgian team! This is my first time talking to a Belgian climber, so in this episode we’ll learn a lot about their fairly newly established national team and how funding works, and we also talk about body image with being a more muscular climber, as well as the difficulties that come with being a female climber. Guest l...

Ep 17: Charlie Boscoe - Leaving IFSC Commentary 01.04.2024

Charlie is a broadcaster and writer who preceded Matt Groom as an IFSC commentator and EpicTV host. In this episode, we’ll learn about his rough start to IFSC commentating in 2016, ways that he thinks the IFSC could improve competitions, and get some insight into what it’s like traveling around with athletes. He also shares his unique story about traveling to North Korea! Guest links : Website Ref...

Ep 16: Cloe Coscoy - Gym Climbing Rocks! 18.03.2024

Cloe is a French/American boulderer who has competed for team USA in the international youth and elite circuit. In this episode, we’ll learn about how she “accidentally” ended up competing in lead world cups, the difficulties of trying to make it onto a highly competitive US national team, and we give some love to good old gym climbing and plastic pulling! Guest links : Cloe’s Instagram Reference...

Ep 15: Tyler Norton - Commiserating on Climbing Podcasting 05.03.2024

Tyler is a fellow competition climbing nerd and podcaster, who has been involved in the space much longer than I have, and you may be familiar with his channel, Plastic Weekly! In this episode, we’ll talk about what it’s like MCing at a world cup, commiserate on the hardships that come with climbing podcasting, go over some climbing HOT TAKES, and talk about the upcoming 2024 season! Guest links :...

Ep 14: Cody Grodzki - Reading Routesetter Hate Comments 20.02.2024

Cody is the USA national chief routesetter, and in the 2023 IFSC season he had the opportunity to set boulders in Hachioji, Prague, Innsbruck, and the Bern world champs! In this episode, we’ll watch him read Youtube hate comments, and we’ll learn about the differences between IFSC vs USA vs commercial routesetting, as well as hear about a crazy cool gym that he will be opening up soon. Guest links...

Ep 13: Carlie LeBreton - Paraclimbing World Champs Setting 05.02.2024

Carlie is the FIRST female chief setter at an IFSC world championship, where she led a team of 5 to set the world paraclimbing championships in Bern 2023! She has been climbing for over 20 years and setting for almost just as long, so she has a lot of experience. In this episode, we’ll learn about all the things you have to keep in mind when setting world championship routes for paraclimbers, what...

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