That IP Podcast

In this episode of That IP Podcast, hosted by Harry Hawthorne, sits down with Shital Shah, a senior in-house IP leader at Caterpillar Inc, to explore a career that has spanned more than two decades at one of the world’s most recognisable industrial companies. Shital shares his journey from studying engineering at the University of Cincinnati to making the pivot into law, a decision shaped by real-...

In this episode of That IP Podcast, hosted by Harry Hawthorne, sits down with Bruce Wexler, Global Co-Chair of the Intellectual Property practice at Paul Hastings and one of the most respected patent trial lawyers in the United States. With a career spanning more than three decades, Bruce has built a reputation for leading high-stakes patent litigation, particularly in the life sciences sector, wh...

In this episode of That IP Podcast , hosted by Harry Hawthorne, sits down with Peter Lando , co-founder of Lando & Anastasi and one of the most respected intellectual property practitioners in the United States. Peter’s career spans engineering, business, and law — a rare combination that has shaped his approach to advising innovators, investors, and companies operating at the intersection of...

In this episode of That IP Podcast , host Harry Hawthorne sits down with Neel Chatterjee , partner and co-head of the Intellectual Property Litigation Practice at King & Spalding and one of the most respected technology trial lawyers of his generation. Recently named Attorney of the Year by The American Lawyer in 2025 — an honor widely regarded as the legal industry’s highest — Neel reflects o...

In this episode of That IP Podcast , host Harry Hawthorne sits down with Mike Jakes, long-time partner at Finnegan and one of the leading figures in patent litigation and appeals, to walk through a 37-year career that started in engineering and evolved into high-stakes IP work. Mike explains how his early days as an electrical engineer at Westinghouse and night-school computer science degree at Jo...

In this episode of That IP Podcast , host Harry Hawthorne sits down with Brett Schuman, Co-Chair of IP at Goodwin, to trace his journey from the University of Michigan and Harvard Law to nearly three decades in high-stakes IP litigation. Brett shares how an internship at a public defender service in Washington DC first drew him toward law, what it was really like walking into Harvard Law and facin...

In this episode, Harry Hawthorne sits down with Ian Ballon, one of the foremost litigators in intellectual property, internet law, and data privacy. Ian shares his journey from studying economics to becoming a trusted advisor in Silicon Valley, explains how big data has transformed litigation strategy, and reflects on the importance of mentorship, perspective, and lifelong learning in law. From bu...

In this episode Harry Hawthorne sits down with Ashok Ramani for a candid, practical tour of life as an IP trial lawyer. From starting in engineering classes at UC Berkeley to Harvard Law, a federal district court clerkship in DC, early trial reps at a boutique, and now leading a trial-first IP practice at Davis Polk, Ashok shares what actually moves the needle: getting reps, thinking fast, and men...

In this episode, Harry Hawthorne sits down with Scott Evans, a seasoned IP lawyer who has navigated everything from high-stakes trials to leading brand protection at Yahoo and Adobe, and now shaping the U.S. presence of Stobbs. Scott shares his unconventional journey from the stage to the courtroom, his candid take on big law versus in-house life, and why risk taking is essential for innovation. W...

In this episode, Harry Hawthorne sits down with Scott Frank, who recently retired after nearly 30 years leading intellectual property at AT&T, to explore his journey from engineer to patent attorney to corporate leader. Scott shares candid insights on how he pivoted careers, why soft skills often matter more than technical expertise, the importance of building genuine relationships in a digita...

In this episode, Harry Hawthorne sits down with Rachel Lovejoy, former Chief IP Counsel at SpaceX, to explore her extraordinary career journey — from Harvard Law, to 11 years at IBM, to helping guide one of the most innovative companies on earth through complex intellectual property challenges. Rachel opens up about what it takes to thrive in high-pressure environments, the lessons she learned fro...