Test. Optimize. Scale.

When should a brand scale its ad spend? Shmuel Herschberg, CMO of Built To Scale, says not until your margins can handle the volume: prove the campaign is profitable at a lower spend first, then scale and make sure profitability holds. In this episode of Test. Optimize. Scale., he and host Jason Fishman break down the metrics that matter, how to think about lifetime value, and what separates the b...

How should a software team actually use AI? Ezra Cohen, CEO and one of the original founders of LucidCircus, says treat it as a tool, not a crutch: his team spends 60 to 70 percent of a project thinking through the platform before it is built, then uses AI like an intern for the grunt work. In this episode of Test. Optimize. Scale., he tells host Jason Fishman why that approach has made his develo...

What is the best way to start raising capital? Joe May, securities attorney and founder of May Law Group, says don't ask investors for money at first. Ask them for feedback. Meet with people who actually write checks, learn what valuation and terms they expect, and ask who else you should talk to. When you launch, you go back to that list ready to close. In this episode of Test. Optimize. Scale.,...

How do you grow one restaurant into a $100 million brand with 1,200 employees? David Dressler, co-founder of Tender Greens, started with a plan written into the company's name: 10 years, 3 guys, 30 restaurants. In this episode of Test. Optimize. Scale., host Jason Fishman interviews David Dressler, co-founder of Tender Greens, the fast casual restaurant brand he helped scale from a single 1,700-sq...

How much equity should a founder give away in a funding round? Eric Josovitz, founder and CEO of AdaptCFO, has a firm rule: never more than 30% per round. If you would need to give away more, go back and build more value first. In this episode of Test. Optimize. Scale., host Jason Fishman interviews Eric Josovitz, founder and CEO of AdaptCFO, a fractional CFO and accounting firm for founders. Eric...

Looking for practical networking and relationship management tips that work? Karl Pontau says it does not matter if your business is B2B or B2C. It is really H2H: human to human. In this episode of Test. Optimize. Scale., host Jason Fishman, CEO of Digital Niche Agency (DNA), interviews Karl Pontau, human connection expert, host of the Human Connection Podcast (230+ episodes), and founder of Vouch...

Can your company pass the 15-second test? Rod Turner says if you cannot explain your business in 15 to 20 seconds online, your capital raise will not work, no matter how strong the company is. In this episode of Test. Optimize. Scale., host Jason Fishman, CEO of Digital Niche Agency (DNA), interviews Rod Turner, founder and CEO of Manhattan Street Capital, the first dedicated Regulation A+ funding...

How do the top crowdfunding campaigns raise millions while the bottom 50% stay stagnant? Cate Diaz and Devin Ambron have the data: their agency, Market Chemistry, has run just under 80 capital raises and helped startups secure over $225 million. In this episode of Test. Optimize. Scale., host Jason Fishman, CEO of Digital Niche Agency (DNA), interviews Cate Diaz and Devin Ambron, the team behind M...

What is the highest-returning ad channel most brands ignore? Podcast advertising. On average, podcast ads return 4.2x on ad spend, compared to roughly 3.6x for social media advertising, with TV and display lower still. Yet half of all podcast ad spots go unsold. In this episode of Test. Optimize. Scale., host Jason Fishman, CEO of Digital Niche Agency (DNA), interviews Cam Pritchard, CEO and found...

If AI does not understand what you do, who you do it for, and the value you bring, it cannot recommend you. And if it cannot recommend you, you are invisible. Loralyn Mears, PhD, is the founder of STEERus and the author of Misinterpreted, a book about the hidden risk making brands and leaders invisible in the age of AI. Her career spans genetically engineering mosquitoes to fight malaria, the dot-...

A 30-minute fix increased one company's revenue by $25M ARR. Hunter Harris has exited four companies and now helps Series A B2B SaaS startups fix the system problems slowing their engineering teams down. Hunter led product engineering at Silverpop, IBM, SalesLoft, Calendly, and Sendoso before founding Hunter Software Consulting. In this episode, he shares the through line of his entire career: mos...

Itay Golan is the CEO of Deals Agent and a former bank executive with 15 years of experience across the deal lifecycle at firms such as DealLogic, S&P Capital IQ, and Bloomberg. In his second appearance on Test. Optimize. Scale: Itay breaks down how agentic AI is leveling the playing field in capital markets, allowing small banks and funds to compete with the bulge bracket for deal origination. Th...

Most founders chase cold leads while their strongest growth channel sits untouched, the clients they already love. Referral expert Jeff Borschowa shows how to turn your top clients into a referral network that brings you more of the same. On this episode of Test. Optimize. Scale., Jeff Borschowa joins host Jason Fishman, CEO of Digital Niche Agency (DNA), to break down how real referral partnershi...

Hiten Sonpal is the CEO of RISE Robotics and a robotics industry veteran with over 20 years of experience. He helped generate $2B in revenue and ship 9M units at iRobot, and now leads the company behind the Beltdraulic system, a patented fluid-free alternative to traditional hydraulics that operates at 75% efficiency versus hydraulics' 25%. In this episode, Hiten covers the technology, the commerc...

-Jeff Coleman has been running Google Ads campaigns since 2004, back when clicks cost 25 cents and keywords were king. In this episode, Jeff breaks down exactly how search advertising has changed, what most campaigns are getting wrong right now, and the proven approach his team uses to build consistent lead engines for service businesses. If you are spending money on Google Ads or thinking about i...

Jack Hoss is the owner of RealDealCrew and host of the RealDealCast podcast, with over 850 episodes recorded. In this episode, Jack breaks down how he flips houses in the Fargo/Moorhead market, how he uses AI to underwrite multifamily deals, and the local SEO strategy that keeps his business visible and competitive online. If you're a real estate investor, operator, or entrepreneur looking to put...

Most real estate agents are grinding for now buyers and now sellers. The agents who actually build wealth are doing something completely different every single day. Kevin Cahill has been a managing broker since 1999, recruited and trained thousands of agents across multiple states, co-founded REALean Real Estate (saving sellers over $4 million in commissions), merged into eXp Realty, and built Rea...

Most marketing fails not because of the platform, the budget, or the targeting. It fails because the story is feeble. Tom Ruwitch is the founder of Story Power Marketing and Implementum. He co-founded Sports Huddle in the late 90s, growing it from 2 to 85 people in 18 months and raising $5.5M in venture capital before exiting. He then founded MarketVolt, an email marketing software and agency he r...

90% of agencies never sell, and most owners who do sell hate the price they get. This episode breaks down the boring work that separates the rare agencies that actually exit well from the ones that underperform. Our guest Nick Avaria is the founder of Agency Acquisitions out of Vancouver, Canada. His goal is to help reward people in agencies for their hard work, whether they're agency owners or em...

Most people think the best product wins. August Biniaz disagrees, and he's built a multi-million dollar real estate private equity firm to prove it. August is the Chief Investment Officer and co-founder of CPI Capital, a real estate private equity firm with two verticals: multifamily value add (Tampa Bay, San Antonio, Austin) and build-to-rent development. In this episode, he breaks down the retur...

Most founders raise capital the wrong way. This episode explains why — and what to do instead. James A. Wolff is a partner at Greenspoon Marder LLP, a NASA and NIAC award recipient, and one of the sharper minds working at the intersection of securities law and emerging technology. He spent years on the founder side before becoming an attorney, and that experience shapes everything about how he app...

In this episode of Test. Optimize. Scale, Jason Fishman sits down with Gene Eidelman, co-founder and CEO of Azure Printed Homes, to discuss how 3D printed housing could reshape the future of construction. Gene shares his journey from real estate developer to startup founder and explains how his company is building homes faster, more efficiently, and with less waste using factory-based 3D printing....

In this episode, Sharif Bennett, co-founder of CineBlock, shares insights on how regulated investment crowdfunding is transforming entertainment financing. Discover how fans and investors can directly support and profit from film projects, revolutionizing traditional Hollywood funding models. Key topics - The origin story of CineBlock and its founders - Problems with traditional film financing and...

In this episode, Jason Fishman hosts Ori Ohayon and Tory Ricalis, co-founders of Titl, to discuss how blockchain and AI are transforming real estate transactions. They share insights into their journey from identifying inefficiencies in traditional property dealings to developing a platform that streamlines title searches and reduces settlement times. The conversation covers the challenges of inte...

In this episode, Jason Fishman interviews George Rivera, an entrepreneur and author, discussing the transformative power of the "buy back time" framework. George shares his journey from burnout to building a $50 million company while working just 30 hours a week, emphasizing the importance of strategic delegation and systemization. They explore the challenges of balancing business growth with pers...