Dena Shottenkirk
talkPOPc's Podcast
talkPOPc (Philosophers' Ontological Party club), is public philosophy + cognitively-engaged art nonprofit founded by Dr. Dena Shottenkirk, who is both a philosopher and an artist. As a topic-based project (we are now on our fourth) talkPOPc sponsors one-to-one conversations between a participant and a philosopher (who always dons our amazing gold African king hat, along with our mascot Puppet!) These conversations are consensus-building conversations and feed back into Shottenkirk's related artworks and published philosophy. The conversations become collaborative acts of making both philosophy...
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Episodes
Episode 43: Justin Freeman: Art, Basketball and being Black 17.01.2021 22:07
Justin points out that we find ourselves through thinking and we find ourselves through thinking about art. Everyone has a different interpretation - a different fingerprint. Ergo cogito sum. Subjectivity is everything here: Justin uses the examples of basketball and being black. The subjective experience is hard to hand over to someone else so that they might know what we experience. We know thin...
Episode 42: Aaron Eastburn: Art as Communicative Language and Empathy-Generator 03.01.2021 21:44
A software engineer and a mathematician, Aaron argues that empathy is a central part of art, both on the part of the artist and on the part of the viewer. In order for the artist to be able to convey something they have to have empathy for how other people experience the world. But he also says that sometimes "art doesn't have to conform to well-described experiences" and that the v...
Episode 40: Stephen Hanson: Galleries, Museums, and Embodied Experience 20.12.2020 25:28
Stephen, who worked until recently at David Zwirner Gallery, discusses the differences in the audience experiences in a gallery as opposed to a museum, arguing that museums give people a greater diversity of experiences. RP Flores asks the fundamental question: why should people go to museums? Stephen points out that they are re-designing themselves and that there is a thought-shift in museums abo...
Episode 39: Hoover Chung: Fashion, Gender, and Art versus Design Debate 13.12.2020 28:13
The fashion designed Hoover Chung speaks to Resident Philosopher Carolina Flores about his interest in gender-fluid fashion. He points out that it's not just feminine clothing on men's body, but it is something that "we are all experimenting with". RP Flores asks Hoover if he thinks that because fashion is consumed and worn by people, is it the case that clothing and garments...
Episode 38: Arion Toles: Power, Identity and the Art of Being "Unresolved" 06.12.2020 13:21
Arion references the book The Undercommons: Fugitive Planning & Black Study, by Stefano Harney and Fred Moten, which criticizes and tries to reform one's relation to the state and avoid being categorized specifically for the ends for state power. Identity is important, and Arion draws on his love of free-form jazz to make the point that we can be in the state of "being unresolved&quo...
Episode 37: Bogyi Banovich: Body/Mind - Art Makes Our Minds Manifest 29.11.2020 17:00
The artist Bogyi Banovich explains creativity as where the body is trying to "catch up" to what the mind has wanted and designed. Bogyi discusses how art is setting up a goal and then the body tries to make the goal real, but with each physical step we re-imagine the mental goal and the two get merged: now we want this version. The important part is the material fact of trying, of making...
Episode 36: Kaya Simmons: Acting, Vulnerability, and Truth 22.11.2020 41:45
In a fascinating conversation about theatre and acting, the actor Kaya Simmons explains both why people act and why people go to see others act. "We act to tell stories, and we act to tell other people's stories, and to live those stories, and to live those truths and to tell those truths." The distinct quality is the actor's willingness to be vulnerable, to try things that mig...
Episode 32: Beth: Covid, BLM protests, and Reclaiming Urban Places 15.11.2020 22:40
As an urban planner, Beth notes how the city is now reclaiming the public arena: the visual experience of the urban experience during the times of COVID show the nature of the social dimensions that have happened: the protests, the demands to give over some of the streets back to the public both for bikes and restaurants, etc. She explains how the Barclay center protests forced the corporate enti...
Episode 33: Will Smith: What Both Country and Rap Can Do for You 08.11.2020 18:09
Will, another one of our Participants who just happened to be wandering by and kindly stopped into the tent and had a conversation, is from South Carolina and likes both country and rap music because they talk about their pain and pleasures, and because they can tell you about how you were already feeling, but just couldn't really talk about it. "Music puts you in the mood you already wa...
Episode 34: Charles: Animals, Evolution, and the Naturalness of Aesthetics 01.11.2020 33:18
Charles gives an extremely interesting viewpoint on the naturalness of aesthetics, drawing from the way ants build symmetrical ant piles, birds flying in perfect symmetry and order, and the great cognitive powers of octopus, making the argument that perhaps our divide between instinct and consciousness of behavior is false. He discusses how much is inherited, including the African aesthetic, which...
Episode 35: Steven: Theatre, Empathy, and Knowledge 25.10.2020 25:05
As a life-long practitioner in theatre, Steven articulates how it is that we use the journey as described by the playwright: we "exercise" our empathy, sympathy, ability to see things from another's point of view. He also discusses the interesting phenomenon of how it is a group exercise in viewing, as we respond to - either in agreement or not - the fellow audience-member's re...
Episode 31: Richard: Art, Civil War Monuments, and the Collective Thought 18.10.2020 25:04
Art makes people do this introspective work. He discusses the civil war monuments in the south (in Richmond, VA) that glorify the confederate side, and notes the emotion that the pieces evoke in people. What does that art do the people who see it and how does it resonate to the collective? Richard and RP Shottenkirk discuss how the original subjective experience of the individual, which is both de...
Episode 30: Robert & The Sensory Pleasure of Art 11.10.2020 14:32
Robert discusses the relationship of looking at art, listening to music, and eating: saying yes to those things that we like, figuring out why, and the essential part of enjoyment. As a language teacher, Robert thinks that understanding art is much like learning a language, and (as the ancients said) how similar painting and poetry are, as they are more "cryptic" than the literary arts o...
Episode 29: George: architecture and social usage 04.10.2020 27:07
George gives an architect's view on the relationship between the social function of buildings and how it is that we aesthetically experience them as a result of their social functions. Support the show Website: talkpopc.org Instagram: @talkpopc Email: info@talkPOPc.org
Episode 28: Ulysses Pizarro: Unmediated, Direct Gaze 02.08.2020 27:05
Ulysses discusses looking at art without the preconceptions of gallery owners or museum directors; he and Resident Philosopher Shottenkirk explore the value of bewilderment in art, feeling vulnerable in initially not knowing and the pleasure found in figuring it out. Support the show Website: talkpopc.org Instagram: @talkpopc Email: info@talkPOPc.org
Episode 27: Dan Durso talks about art, evolution, and social bonding. 28.07.2020 28:48
Dan Durso, artist and PhD student at the University of Illinois, talks about art as evolutionarily adapting, how it helped early humans to bond and work together as a unit, and how it allows us access into others' minds. He also discusses why it's a problem that contemporary art is without philosophical theory. Support the show Website: talkpopc.org Instagram: @talkpopc Email: info@talkP...
Episode 26: Jeremy. A critic's POV. Interrogating yourself to learn, think and communicate. 10.05.2020 38:09
Jeremy Barker, a performance critic, joins Resident Philosopher Carolina Flores for the seventh and final installment of our Postmasters Gallery series. Jeremy engages in art differently from the layman. He speaks of immediate entertainment value versus the long term process of art. You either grow with the work and evolve, or you engage with art for hedonistic pleasure. Nothing wrong with either,...
Episode 25: Beth. Art in the environment. A reconfiguration of thought 03.05.2020 17:24
Beth Evans joins Resident Philosopher Carolina Flores for the sixth part of our postmasters series. They discuss visual art, in particular performance art as it gives more room for thought. There's a feeling in the moment that's not found in two dimensional art. You become a part of the environment and it changes the way you see the non art world. Ordinary things can become objects of ar...
Episode 24: John. A photographer's gaze. Mechanical over artistic. 26.04.2020 11:45
John McCarten joins Resident Philosopher Vincent Peluce for the fifth part of our postmasters series. John discusses photography as seeing through the viewfinder rather than seeing an artistic picture. He sees good light, a silhouette and composition rather than a creative energy. It's a mechanical process of capturing an image rather than expressing emotion. Support the show Website: talkpo...
Episode 23: Caron. Spirituality of art. Nigunim and the levels of music. 19.04.2020 18:53
Caron Shapiro joins Resident Philosopher Vincent Peluce for the fourth part of our postmasters series. They discuss Hebrew music and the spirituality behind it. Nigunim are spiritual songs that don't necessarily involve cognition. It's a "direct shot to your soul" and the more spiritual a song, the less melody and lyrics it contains. Caron also discusses how art differs from th...
Episode 22: Jesi. Who is art for? Creating to create, or creating for an audience? 12.04.2020 27:15
Jesi Taylor Cruz joins Resident Philosopher Vincent Peluce for the third part of our postmasters series. As they discuss art as cognition, Jesi points to the restrictive nature of creating art for others/an audience. We make choices more carefully when others will see what we do. This raises a question of authenticity. Are we more willing to take risks and artistic liberties without an audience? I...
Episode 21: Nicholas. Art's duality. When you create, you don't think. When you consume, you contemplate. 05.04.2020 15:49
Nicholas Accetura joins Resident Philosopher Vincent Peluce for the second part of our postmasters series. When discussing art, Nicholas denotes a significant difference in our minds. When we create art, at least for Nicholas, we are free. We don't think about things and instead engage the body to materialize art. When we consume art, we are actively thinking about what's in front of us...
Episode 20: João, Art as a system of signs. A language of exception. 29.03.2020 12:23
João Enxuto joins Resident Philosopher Vincent Peluce as they kick off the first part of our Postmasters series. They discuss art as cognition, and João thinks of it as a medium for cognitive faculties, yet art is a text one reads. Art represents exceptionality, it doesn't just communicate raw facts, it goes beyond. But we still have to operate within the constraints of our world. We live in...
Episode 19: Keith: Is Art Defined by Our Reaction? 08.03.2020 24:13
Keith Moss, a management consultant from the UK, and is speaking to the Resident Philosopher Martina Botti. Keith, on a business trip, is visiting the bar and having a drink; he steps over to have a philosophical conversation. They discuss what makes something art, and after Keith suggests it is when a reaction is triggered, Martina suggests that maybe our brain doesn’t have a general definition o...
Episode 18: Gilles: Art is What Art Does 01.03.2020 51:39
The art historian and art critic Gilles Heno-Coe, who was the former Associate Director of Matthew Marks Gallery, speaks with Resident Philosopher Martina Botti. The conversation ranges between issues of meaning in art to the role of the market in determining that meaning. Repeatedly in their conversation, Charles Sanders Pierce appears. A nineteenth century American philosopher, Pierce was semina...
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