Dena Shottenkirk
talkPOPc's Podcast
talkPOPc (Philosophers' Ontological Party club), is public philosophy + cognitively-engaged art nonprofit founded by Dr. Dena Shottenkirk, who is both a philosopher and an artist. As a topic-based project (we are now on our fourth) talkPOPc sponsors one-to-one conversations between a participant and a philosopher (who always dons our amazing gold African king hat, along with our mascot Puppet!) These conversations are consensus-building conversations and feed back into Shottenkirk's related artworks and published philosophy. The conversations become collaborative acts of making both philosophy...
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Episodes
Episode 72: Kyle speaks to R.P. Whittaker about thinking like an artist 20.12.2021 12:59
Timestamps: 00:35: Artistic mindset? Juggling and adopting an attitude of accepting charitability towards concepts 01:35: How can we do cognition like art? How can our cognitive capacities learn from Art and aesthetic experiences? 02:45: Making art requires flipping the switch. But when we do that, do we apply it everywhere? 04:00: No such thing as a bad concept. This vs That is immaterial. Schema...
Episode #71: Meg asks Resident Philosopher Nick Whittaker about human vs. animal aesthetic experience 12.12.2021 15:45
Timestamps: 00:30: Laying the groundwork. What is Art as Cognition? Cognition as an intellectual process. Higher order brain activity, and Robinson's "Deeper than Reason" 02:00: Philosophy of Emotion. Are emotions things that come from automatic reactions, or are they conceptual? How much brain activity does an emotion need? 03:10: Should we separate thought and emotion? 05:10: Low...
Episode #70: Oralie - Biology and the limits of Observation, Meaning-making 29.11.2021 20:07
talkPOPc Participant Oralie in conversation with Resident Philosopher Nicholas Whittaker on Biology and the limits of Observation and Meaning-making. Timestamps: 00:55: Understanding the world through Aesthetic. The immediacy of Art and the ability to grab us, intertwined with the cognitive process. Meaning-making Machines 02:20: The biological programming of Art. We're biological beings and...
Episode #69: Alex & Resident Philosopher Whittaker: cognition is a form of art 21.11.2021 16:06
Timestamps: 00:20: 2 Ways to View Art as Cognition: Art as a way to express cognition vs Cognition is a form of Art 02:25: Blank Page: Pure thought, consciousness and reality against physical objects. 05:15: Physical Interaction with the World: No physical brain, no consciousness. 07:15: Ralph Waldo Emerson and the Transparent Eyeball: Erasing the self and observing 10:00: Philosophical Thought:...
Episode #68: RP Whittaker with Sasha and Glen: Art, history, authenticity - art a kind of legitimated, time-stamping of history 15.11.2021 16:47
Timestamps: 00:34: Art as Cognition: What does it mean? Everything you look at can be a snapshot of beauty. Perceptions of art and how you value it 01:45: What is Art: Breaking it down. What counts as art and what doesn't? 02:35: Pricing Authenticity 04:20: Robert Hughes: Art has to be different rather than good. Provoke thought vs beauty 06:15: History Decides Which Art is Important 08:50: A...
Episode #67: Hyppolite, Substance Abuse Counselor, talks with RP Whittaker about art, catharsis, and living. 05.11.2021 16:26
Timestamps: 00:20: Art and Thinking: Do we think about Art enough? Counseling and therapy/catharsis through Art. 02:30: Picasso and the Coloring Book: Is any drawing art? Or are the "good" drawing art? 05:00: Masterpieces and Special Elements of Cognition: What is it that these geniuses have? But wait, what cognitive powers do we as humans possess that allow us to engage in art? 08:00:...
Episode #66: "art stops us in our tracks": Rony Ortiz speaks with Philosopher Whittaker 24.10.2021 18:19
Timestamps: 00:25: Art as Cognition, Ekphrasis and reactions toward imagery in the subconscious 01:35: Art as a unique artifact. Cutting through the noise 02:35: Modern Art, Duchamp's readymades, Art, bananas. What is Art depends on perception. What is an Artist? 04:00: The Swamp Table, not an artifact, but identical to it. Is it Art? And Foucault's take on an Author and Shakespeare. 05...
Episode 61: Jay Ortiz Bryant Park 17.10.2021 8:31
Timestamps: 00:28: Art as an Accessibility Tool: Coping, feeling feelings 01:45: Philosophy's History: Hyper-rationalism. Ability to form conscious propositional thought 02:45: Art isn't Always Rational: A tool that can be used and misused 04:28: We're Complicated: Maze of feelings, dead-ends and exits 05:47: Art & Irrationality: What moves us? Maybe not documentaries. 06:15: P...
Episode #60: Complex Systems & The Social Construction of Meaning in Art: Ben Porter with Resident Philosopher Whittaker @ Bryant Park 10.10.2021 20:32
Timestamps: 00:19: Defining Art as Cognition: We're still arguing about what Art and Cognition mean 03:15: Duchamp & What art can be: The social world and interconnectivity. 04:15: Art is High Cognition: Cognition in the process of crafting. 05:55: Modern Art, Michael Fried: Paintings don't care about you. The enclosed world in self-contained art. 09:15: Art as a Crystallized Moment:...
Episode #59: Expression in Art, Hegel & Billie Eilish: Sebastian speaks with Philosopher Nicholas Whittaker 03.10.2021 10:39
Timestamps: 00:20: First Impressions of Art as Cognition 01:00: Art is an expression of the mind. Expressing the self 02:08: Expressionists: Showing the world through painting. Why should I show you what things look like? Shouldn't I make a statement about me instead? 04:05: A Move towards Existentialism: What is on the inside vs outside. 05:05: Descartes, Kant and the Exterior World: Does t...
Episode #58: Cognition, Humans, Animals, and Art: Participant Elaine Angelopoulos with Resident Philosopher Nicholas Whittaker @Bryant Park 26.09.2021 16:15
Timestamps: 00:35: Elaine and Nicholas tackle the definition of Art as Cognition via first impressions. "Your immediate impulse in response to a blank page, without thinking." 01:30: We're in a virtual world, but we still make motions perpetually all in the idea of virtual cognition 03:19: Aesthetic Cognition almost implies a design of inherited gestures and movements that were alre...
Episode #57: Gist, Art, and Personal Interactions: Resident Philosopher Shottenkirk speaks with student Jacob Sabu 19.09.2021 25:00
Jacob, a pre-med student, talks about how visual gist (in the first 300 ms) is something similar to an interpersonal immediate impression - how we like something or want something or we are repelled by it. The brain has to filter out information, Jacob notes, and so evolution has allowed us to do that. He also wants to tie this to moral revulsion and brings in Jonathan Haidt's writings on th...
Episode #56 Software Design, Bodies, Virtual Reality and Affordances: John Palmer talks with talkPOPc Resident Philosopher Shottenkirk 19.09.2021 34:21
In a rich and complex conversation, John Palmer, a software engineer and recently influenced by James Gibson's writing, discusses virtual worlds in game design and computer environments. Shottenkirk, who has noted that this relies on perception and thus is right up the alley of issues of art and cognition, listens as John discusses the important notion of affordances, a term coined by Gibson...
Episode #55 Meditation, Art, & Cognition: Resident Philosopher Carolina Flores talks with talkPOPc participant Nicholas Ligotino 05.09.2021 19:53
Nicholas starts the conversation by saying that he has recently experienced a renewed interest in making art himself, which he hadn't done since a child. He is also a regular meditator, and argues that art "is one of the best forms of meditation." As someone who is in the film industry, he says (& RP Flores agrees) that David Lynch is a great filmmaker, with Nicholas pointin...
Episode 54: Fashion: "Buying a piece of clothing is buying someone's mind", Resident Philosopher Shottenkirk with talkPOPc participant Nicola Johnson 29.08.2021 14:09
RP Shottenkirk and participant Nicola Johnson discuss fashion: what makes it good or bad, and why we care. "It goes back to the mind" Nicola says at the beginning of the conversation and she expounds on that point in several different ways. "It tells something about me - my financial status, my taste, my social status. " Shottenkirk notes that Nicola's shoes are amazing, w...
Episode 53: Attention, Education, and "Can art change your attitude to the world?" Resident Philosopher with talkPOPc participant Mark Friedman 22.08.2021 15:02
talkPOPc participant Mark Friedman begins the conversation with Resident Philosopher Carolina Flores by talking about the Italian Renaissance, in particular the Ghiberti doors n Florence, which is where he spent his study-abroad year as a college student. Flores points out that when you see something in person and study it in person it is so different than seeing it also; noting that perhaps it&a...
Episode 52: The Stoics, the Bible, Artists, Eating People, NFT's, and Your First Period: talkPOPc Resident Philosopher Olasov speaks to talkPOPc Participant Alex 15.08.2021 25:00
Ian Olasov begins the conversation with the point that philosophy can play a role in how we get out of the pandemic by building community. Alex brings in the problematic issue of mask-wearing, and how though he has self-identified as "not that courteous or respectful of others" he does see the general case for masks at least indoor. The conversation ranges widely and wildly, with Alex...
Episode 51: Music - Socializing, and Thinking: talkPOPc Resident Philosopher Ian Olasov & talkPOPc Guest Participant Eva Pilay on Art as Cognition 08.08.2021 43:31
Resident Philosopher Ian Olasov and talkPOPc Participant Eva Pilay discuss how art and philosophy can both allow people to re-emerge from the pandemic, allowing people to be united and socialized: objects of shared attention. But Eva points out that propaganda does the same thing; Olasov agrees and then says if it's attention to something good then it's good socializing but not so much i...
Episode 50: Mereology, Subjectivity, and Movies & Novels: talkPOPc Resident Philosophers Carolina Flores & Martina Botti discuss Art as Cognition 01.08.2021 14:04
In answer to Flores' question, "What's the latest art piece that spoke to you?" Botti answers Robert Altman's Three Women , which is about conveying emotions instead of telling a story. Flores asks if movies can express pure emotion as well as music? Botti answers that movies rely so much on music, pictures, etc., that are borrowed from other art forms, and it brings up th...
Episode 49: Resident Philosopher Ian Olasov and talkPOPc Guest Participant Nayanci Lopez "Why Do We Make Art?" 25.07.2021 30:33
Nayanci Lopez, who hosts the philosophy/comedy podcast "But Why Not? A philosophy themed comedy podcast!" discusses with RP Olasov why we make art - do we do it for a purpose or is it just something that we have to do? If it's about beauty that's a bit of a problem because our notion of beauty changes over time. They agreed that although our notions of concepts are built over...
Episode 48: talkPOPc Resident Philosopher Ian Olasov & talkPOPc Guest Participant Joshua Rosenberg converse about art as a medium for philosophy and vice versa, using Picasso's Guernica as an example and how the medium of photography can be philosophical 11.07.2021 18:39
Resident Philosopher Ian Olasov makes the point that even though the usual media you use to do philosophy - writing journal articles, etc., could be extended and one could also do philosophy through sculpture or other media. Joshua thinks of Picasso's Guernica and the reference to war - "what man can do to man". But also when we talk about "art" the term becomes expansive,...
Episode 47: "Art is Verb Not a Noun": Resident Philosopher Carolina Flores talks with talkPOPc participant Shannon Rousseau 11.07.2021 29:33
Shannon starts with the belief that everyone is creative and able to make art in some kind of way, which she discovered when she first took a drawing and painting class in high school. Her new desire is to act, but feels apprehensive about it because, in RP Flores' words "you're on the line". They discuss the difficulties of performance and the line between one's art and...
Episode 46: Gaston speaks of artists' suffering during covid 14.03.2021 15:29
Gaston discusses the effects of Covid on people and on art. For him, covid has made people rethink what they value and what they want in their lives. People have purged their homes, and rethought what they wanted. But covid has also had the effect on artists - lots of small producers have not been able to produce, and people now buy from ebay instead of CD Baby. The larger corporations are just t...
Episode 45: Marjorie Sweeney on why America needs Group Dancing 28.02.2021 35:44
Summer of 2020: talkPOPc sets up next to the Gowanus Canal in Brooklyn and speechwriter Marjorie Sweeney talks about social role of art. She agrees to the obvious fact that there is great individualism in art, but her point is that there are also great social and political functions. Wanting to create is a natural human urge & all children show this, but adults are far more inhibited - we wou...
Episode 44: Joan talks about Medieval art & the political role of art 14.02.2021 26:18
Joan, a lawyer in NYC, got her undergraduate degree in art history, and here in the talkPOPc tent discusses the political role of art, comparing today's world to the art of the medieval world. Using Bronzino's chapel of Eleonora in the Palazzo Vecchio, Joan refers to the sociology of that world and how art reinforced power relations. Bronzino, who came right after Michelangelo, was like...
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