Talking Talmud

An apparent tangent about why the first account of the Ten Commandments in the Torah has the word "good," and the second account does not. Plus, if you see the letter tet in a dream (with some caveats), it means good will befall you... Also, the 5th perek, with a new mishnah - what happens when one's sheep are damaged? We seem to have moved on from the oxen, at least in part, and the concerns are...

The Gemara discusses the case of a blind or deaf Ox that causes damages. Then a new Mishnah that teaches there are eight times in the Torah where a specific animal is mentioned in relation to a law but the law applies to all animals and birds. The Gemara questions when the word Kol is used is it to be understood as inclusionary or part of a generalization, specification, generalization sequence.

Rabbi Natan has an interesting calculation for damages when both the ox and pit are responsible. Rava discusses a case where the damagers are person, ox, and pit and all the different types of damages each one needs to pay or is exempt.

A pit and its passersby - where one person covers a cistern, the next person does not...who's liable? And at what point is the owner's covering of the pit recent enough to make him exempt from paying damages? What happens if a pit is open because it is being expanded, and the noise of the construction startles an ox so it falls into it - the owner will be liable (or not), depending on which direct...

A case of an ox that falls into a 6-tephachim deep irrigation ditch, which injured it, perhaps fatally. Plus, a new mishnah about a pit that has 2 owners - and their respective liabilities. Where the order of their actions makes a difference in terms of obligation to pay. And which ends up being a very specific case. Also, the discussion shifts to filling bottles with water that they both can draw...

The dad shares a very well known story about Nechuyna who dug ours and how Rabbi Hanina Ben Dosa saves his daughter. A new Mishnah explains more halachot about the digging of pits. The Gemara then discussed a disagreement between Rav and Shmuel about what actually is the cause of death when a person or animal falls into a pit and the answer is surprising!

A new mishnah, this one more challenging, in that it deals with miscarriage (and women in general). A person hits a woman and she miscarries, he pays her husband accordingly. What happens when the damage is done by an ox? How is the value of the lost pregnancy evaluated? With difficult elements... Also, the Gemara in this mishnah - addressing the question of assessing the value of the fetus (or ra...

The Daf discusses a statement by Rava that if an Ox crouches and causes damage the owner is exempt from paying damages. Kofer appears again on this Daf with a discussion of three interpretations of the Mishnah’s statement that if the ox falls into a pit and kills the homeowne’s father or son the owner of the ox pays kofer.

What happens if someone brings property into someone else's private domain, without permission, then the homeowner is exempt from paying for any damage to that property. With all expected ramifications... Permission to be there makes a difference, but what if the owner didn't watch his property well? Also, if one brought produce I to another's domain and the homeowner's animal was injured - by sli...

Chapter 5, and its opening mishnah: If an ox (a "tam" ox) gores a cow, and the cow was pregnant and the calf is found outside of the cow, is that because of delivery or because of the goring? With real implications for paying damages. And vice versa, if a cow gored an ox and delivers a calf (or it was aborted because of the goring). Plus, turning to Somchos's view of disputed property being divide...

2 mishnayot: one on the timing of the court's decision regarding an ox that has killed and might need to be out to death, and how that impacts the value of the carcass. Plus, the 4 guardians (shomerim), and how they undertake the role of the owner. Also, what must one do to guard a mu'ad ox, sufficiently? The only certainty is when the ox has been put to death. But with dispute, of course.

Mishnayot! If an ox goes to do one thing, including intending to kill another who is not the one who was killed, the ox is "exempt." Plus, when subsequent damage (or death) to something the ox is accustomed to doing... It's not really considered the ox's intent to damage/kill. Also, the verse that establishes how a person is held accountable for premeditation. Plus, a mishnah on the different cate...

When a slave or freeman is killed unintentionally the fine and Kofer imposed on the owner is not paid. The daf also discusses what happens when someone dies by fire unintentionally.

The daf brings a disagreement between Rav Asi and Rabbi Akiva on paid damages for a killed Eved Caanani. The Gemara quotes a barita discussing how a lifer payment on a woman killed by an ox goes to her heirs and not her husband and why.

The Daf begins with a Mishnah that states an Ox that kills a person is stoned and other relevant halakhot. The Gemara shares a careful reading of a verse in Exodus about whether any benefit may be derived from a killer ox.

Establishing "kofer," the payment paid by the owner of a mu'ad ox that killed a person - as a measure of atonement. Or is it just part of damages? That's a machloket, or a machloket whether it's a machloket! Plus, the question of the stadium ox - what is the degree of its innocence? Can it be offered on the altar as a sacrifice?

A new mishnah: How does the status of the owner have impact on the obligation to pay damages in the event of one's ox goring another? Specifically, one who is considered halakhically responsible, as compared to "heresh, shoteh, ve-katan," the deaf-mute, someone who is cognitively impaired, or a minor. In the event of an ox trained to fight (as in bull-fighting), an ox that kills a person isn't put...

Some aggadata... Addressing the verse that teaches the Jew vs. non-Jew's goring ox and the obligation to pay. Which explains why a Canaanite's ox would incur full damages. Plus, a discussion of the obligation to keep commandments that they didn't want to keep - and the lack of reward for them. And the principle that those who are commanded get greater reward for fulfilling those commandments. Also...

How the ox becomes mu'ad, and how am ox can be expected to gore some, but not others (including with regard to other species). Also, how frequently, and in what pattern, does an ox need to gore to be mu'ad? What about monthly goring, or plus a day? Also, a new mishnah about who owns the animals - Jews, the Temple, and non-Jews.

A new Perez starts off with a Mishnah discussing what happens with damages payments when a tam ox gores multiple oxen owned by multiple people. The Gemara examines if liability can be moved from the owner to someone else.

Cases of damage by the animal vs a person - where the question of who is liable that can be less pleasing to the person who has suffered damage, and might not get paid back. Specifically, when does a person's intent make a difference with regard to paying damages (or getting paid for them)? Plus, a new mishnah: One ox chases another ox, which is subsequently damaged, and the owner blames the other...

A discussion of the goring oxen, with monetary values attached - which raises the question of appreciation and depreciation, and how the changes in value may have impact on how the damages are evaluated. Plus, two mishnayot on the daf, the first of which introduces (as it were) the monetary values of oxen that gore each other - which an application of the biblical verse regarding these cases. Also...

A new mishnah: Oxen that gore each other - who pays how much depends on which animal is how damaged, and then depends on the status of the oxen. Likewise if an ox gores a person, or a person an ox. Except that Rabbi Akiva disagrees, and the Gemara addresses why. Also, a second mishnah, on the question of the value of the carcass of the ox - and, again, Rabbi Akiva has a different view - this time,...

3 new mishnayot: the first, about the damage of a person with a barrel and the other with a beam, who collide in the public domain. If the beam damages the barrel, when, if ever, does the beams owner have to pay damages? Which leads the Gemara to draw a parallel to a husband who injures his wife in sexual intercourse. And the next mishnah: When rushing in the public domain, when one is held liable...

If someone falls and then causes another person to be injured are they liable? Do they need to warn the people behind them?