Dr. Gail Angus, Dr. Leesa Huang, and Dr. Mary Beth Kropp
System Shift: Leading Change So Students Thrive
“System Shift: Leading Change So Students Thrive” is the go-to podcast for education leaders dedicated to building safe, inclusive learning environments through transformative, sustainable system-wide change. Hosted by Dr. Gail Angus, Dr. Leesa Huang, and Dr. Mary Beth Kropp— expert practitioners with implementing complex initiatives—this podcast blends cutting-edge research, actionable strategies, and authentic stories from education leaders who’ve navigated the challenges of system-wide improvement. Whether you’re launching a district-wide initiative, enhancing current systems, or tackling t...
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Dr. Gail Angus, Dr. Leesa Huang, and Dr. Mary Beth Kropp
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Jun 29, 2026
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Listen Again Ep 11: Building Protective Factors for Staff - The Foundation of Psychological Safety 29.12.2025 19:40
System Shifters, as we close out the year, we wanted to bring back one of our most important conversations because it's about something we don't discuss enough: taking care of the adults in our buildings . What if the same conditions that help students feel safe to take risks also determine whether your veteran teachers spoke up in a meeting? In this episode of System Shift, we explore how the thr...
Listen Again Ep 8: MTSS Isn’t a Thing—It’s a Framework 22.12.2025 19:00
System Shifters, this week, as we start to head into the new year, we are re-featuring one of our most eye-opening episodes because we keep hearing the same frustration from leaders: "We're doing MTSS, but nothing's changing." In this episode of System Shift , Dr. Gail and Dr. Mary Beth explore why Multi-Tiered System of Support (MTSS) succeeds in some schools and fades in othe...
26: Supporting Team Collaboration Through Data 15.12.2025 19:34
More data isn’t helping schools, it’s overwhelming them. When teams don’t have the right access, clarity, or structures, data creates confusion instead of improvement. This episode breaks down the three leadership conditions that turn data into collaboration: easy access, usability, and public discussion . In This Episode: Why too much data overwhelms teams What “easy access” and “usable data” act...
25: SEL in Action: Moving Beyond the Curriculum 08.12.2025 21:01
Most schools invest in social-emotional learning programs but then treat SEL as a box to check. A 30-minute lesson once a week can’t build the skills students need to navigate real life. In this episode, the System Shifters team breaks down how to move from packaged SEL to SEL in action where social and emotional learning becomes part of the culture, not just the curriculum. In This Episode: Why S...
24: From Problem to Practice: A District’s Journey to Improve Student Outcomes 01.12.2025 21:04
System Shifters: how do you move from identifying a problem to creating a solution that actually sticks? In this episode, Drs. Gail, Mary Beth, and Leesa break down how one district transformed growing concerns about behavior, belonging, and connection into a simple, systemwide practice that didn’t cost a dime—greeting every student at the door. Through this story, they unpack how leadership, data...
Listen Again Ep 4: Purpose Driven Teaming-Disrupting Meeting Silos 24.11.2025 22:45
System Shifters! This week we are re-featuring one of our most popular episodes from the summer because it addresses the issues we hear from leaders year-round. How many teams exist at your school and are they aligned to a shared purpose? In this episode, Dr. Gail, Dr. Mary Beth, and Dr. Leesa explore how to rethink school teams for collective efficacy, collaboration, and student-centered outcomes...
23: Build Trust and Safety into Team Meetings To Drive Teacher Collaboration and Student Outcomes 17.11.2025 24:13
System Shifters: picture this: it’s Monday morning, your leadership team is gathered to discuss student outcomes, and you ask, “What should we do differently?” Silence. The ideas are there, but no one’s sharing them. No amount of collaboration time can fix what’s really missing—healthy team dynamics. In this episode, we build on last week’s discussion about psychological safety and dive into the h...
22: The Missing Foundation: Why School Collaboration Fails Without Trust, Safety, and Relationships 10.11.2025 22:17
What if the secret to your school’s success isn’t about having the smartest people or the best plan but about how safe people feel to speak up, take risks, and learn together? In this episode of System Shift, we explore psychological safety, the foundation that makes collective efficacy possible. Drawing on research from Google and Harvard Business School’s Amy Edmondson, we break down how trust,...
21: Building Collective Efficacy: How Educational Leaders Create Collaborative School Cultures 03.11.2025 18:10
What happens when professional learning communities feel more like compliance than collaboration? In this episode of System Shift, we explore the research behind collective efficacy—the belief that when educators work together, they will make a difference—and how it transforms teaching, learning, and school culture. Join Drs. Mary Beth, Gail, and Leesa as they unpack how to turn teamwork into true...
20: Sustaining the Momentum: How Educational Leaders Embed Conditions for Learning into Daily Culture and Long-term Strategy 27.10.2025 20:01
What happens when the excitement of a new initiative fades, budgets tighten, or leadership changes hands? Too often, well-intentioned work around Conditions for Learning fades into the background remembered by a few, sustained by even fewer. In this episode of System Shift, we explore how to make Conditions for Learning so deeply embedded in your school or district culture that they survive every...
19: Making it Stick: Sustaining Conditions for Learning Through Accountability 20.10.2025 21:01
It’s easy to get excited about new initiatives but sustaining them is where real system change happens. In this episode, the System Shift team explores what happens after Conditions for Learning have been rolled out. Specifically, how to keep the momentum going six months later when the excitement has worn off. This conversation digs into the role of adult accountability in creating safe, connecte...
18: Beyond Good Intentions: How School Leaders Transform Conditions for Learning Into System-Wide Practice 13.10.2025 14:32
In this episode of System Shift , we explore how Conditions for Learning can serve as the foundation that strengthens the work schools are already doing , not as “one more thing.” Drs. Mary Beth, Gail, and Leesa break down practical steps for making Conditions for Learning intentional, connected, and sustainable whether at the district, school, or classroom level. You’ll hear how focusing on seven...
17: From Nation at Risk to Nation at Hope: How Districts and Schools Create Conditions Where Every Student Thrives 06.10.2025 18:41
In this episode of System Shift, we dive into why creating the right conditions is essential for academic, social, and emotional success. Drawing from the groundbreaking report A Nation at Hope , we explore how districts and schools can move beyond a narrow focus on academics to embrace the whole child. You’ll hear how conditions for learning aren’t just built in classrooms. They must be modeled a...
16: Data Governance in Education: Building Secure, Accurate, and Usable Systems 29.09.2025 19:50
When reports don’t align or numbers don’t match, confusion takes over and trust in data suffers. That’s why data governance is essential. In this episode of System Shift, Drs. Gail, Leesa, & Mary Beth welcome back Jeremy Deckard and Jimmie Houts of Viridian Education to break down what K-12 data governance really means, why it matters, and how schools can begin to strengthen their own practice...
15: Educational Data Systems: From Silos to Student Success 22.09.2025 24:46
What if the data we collect in schools could actually prevent crises instead of just documenting them? In this episode of System Shift , we welcome Jeremy Deckard and Jimmie Houts, co-founders of Viridian Education , to dig into how districts can break down silos and truly integrate their data systems. From academics to attendance to behavior, too often each department sees only part of a student’...
14: Designing Strategic Data Cycles for Lasting Change 15.09.2025 11:13
Educational leaders face constant pressure: boards want results tomorrow, while true systemic transformation takes years. How do you balance urgency with sustainability? In this episode of System Shift , we unpack how to design data cycles that serve both timelines, providing quick wins to build momentum and transparency while keeping the long view in focus. In This Episode: The difference between...
13: Sharing the Right Data, with the Right People, at the Right Time 08.09.2025 17:14
How we present data matters just as much as the data itself. In this episode, we unpack a real story from the field; sharing SEL screening results with staff and the very different reactions it sparked. Some teachers got defensive, while others tuned out entirely. The lesson? Data can only drive improvement when it’s connected to purpose, shared at the right level, and discussed in a safe, trust-f...
12: Starting Smart with Data - Asking the Right Questions for the Right Insights 01.09.2025 10:52
School leaders often say they’re “data rich but process poor” overflowing with numbers but still unsure what’s really happening in their schools. In the first episode of our new data series , we explore why the key to making data meaningful isn’t collecting more , but clarifying the questions you want to answer. We share how connecting data to your school’s purpose, combining quantitative and qual...
11: Building Protective Factors for Staff - The Foundation of Psychological Safety 25.08.2025 19:40
What if the same conditions that help students feel safe to take risks also determine whether your veteran teachers spoke up in a meeting? In this episode of System Shift, we explore how the three core protective factors, caring relationships, high expectations, and opportunities for participation apply just as much to adults as they do to students. We dig into why even well-intentioned leaders ca...
10: Defining Whole Child Education—More Than a Buzzword 18.08.2025 21:38
“Whole child” is a term often heard but rarely defined. In this episode of System Shift , we break down what whole child education truly means and how schools can move beyond surface-level understanding to create environments where every student thrives. Using ASCD’s five pillars— healthy, safe, challenged, engaged, and supported —we explore how schools can shift from a deficit lens (“fix the stud...
9: Redefining MTSS—It’s Not About the Tiers 11.08.2025 19:19
What if the reason MTSS feels overwhelming or ineffective… is because it’s misunderstood? In this episode of System Shift , we unpack the most common misconceptions about MTSS and offer a path forward that reclaims its purpose as an integrated, student-centered framework , not just a pre-referral process or intervention checklist. With perspectives from a school psychologist, special education adm...
8: MTSS Isn’t a Thing—It’s a Framework 04.08.2025 20:17
Is your MTSS implementation falling flat—or failing to last? In this episode of System Shift , Dr. Gail and Dr. Mary Beth explore why Multi-Tiered System of Support (MTSS) succeeds in some schools and fades in others. Spoiler: MTSS isn’t a checklist, a triangle, or an intervention. It’s a framework —one that must be clearly defined, aligned, and intentionally integrated to truly support all studen...
7: Beyond Silos: Building Collaborative School Teams That Transform Outcomes 28.07.2025 19:37
Why do some school teams thrive, and others stall out in silence? If you’ve ever left a meeting wondering why the same voices dominate or why others never engage—this episode is for you. In this powerful episode of System Shift , the hidden forces that sabotage collaboration are explored, including hierarchy, unspoken rules, and fear of speaking up. In This Episode: How cultural norms, power dynam...
6: From Meeting Mayhem to Meaningful Progress: Building Purpose-Driven Teams 21.07.2025 26:47
Do your school meetings feel like progress, or just more pressure? In this episode of System Shift , we explore how to break the cycle of meeting fatigue, decision overload, and siloed teams by shifting toward purpose-driven, role-aligned collaboration . If your school is stuck in a loop of "meeting to meet," this conversation will help you reset your systems for clarity, trust, and momentum. ...
5: From Secret Societies to Shared Success: Transforming School Meeting Culture 14.07.2025 19:37
System Shifters! When was the last time a school meeting left you energized instead of drained? In this episode, we tackle a truth many leaders know too well: unproductive meetings are wasting time and working against your school's goals. With over 70 hours spent in meetings annually, educators can't afford to keep circling the same problems without structure, trust, and follow-through. In this ep...
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