Adam Lehrer, Matthew Denicola
System of Systems
All culture is propaganda. Everything you hold dear is connected to that which subjugates you. Deconstruct art, culture, and politics, and attempt to understand the pervasive conformism that has saturated it all. Hosted by Adam Lehrer and Matthew DeNicolapatreon.com/systemofsystems safetypropaganda.substack.comx.com/SystemofSystem3x.com/safetypropagan1x.com/mattiopattio
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Adam Lehrer, Matthew Denicola
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Jul 8, 2026
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Episodes
Aspirational Mid (w/ Eva and Elena Sullivan) 20.04.2023 1:50:53
During Art Basel Miami Beach 2022, Hadrian Belove asked Adam to meet up with him at Soho House, where he was with two young ladies Eva and Elena Sullivan. When Adam arrived, he was immediately taken with the gals' intelligence and savvy. Turns out, Eva and Elena are fashion designers behind the new brand Sullivan, which creates beautiful and elegant clothing for women at a price point that is much...
UNLOCKED Attacking the Castle from Within (W/ BILLY CORGAN) 18.04.2023 1:50:32
Around August of 2022, Adam opened up his email to find what was a message of profound encouragement, and could hardly believe it when it was addressed from "William Patrick Corgan," otherwise known as the frontman of Adam's first ever favorite band The Smashing Pumpkins. But that's exactly who it was. Billy had read Adam's 2021 book 'Communions' and, from there, a creative camaraderie developed....
Raver Symbolism (W/ Tom Koehler) 03.04.2023 1:32:19
Friend of the show and visual artist Tom Koehler brings Adam into his studio in Ridgewood, shows him some new landscape paintings, and discusses his art, the gallery that he runs, plastic surgery, weed paranoia, quitting nicotine, and even his stint as a member of the power electronics group Sharpwaist. Dig on it... SOUNDTRACK: Sharpwaist "Amyl Nitrate" (attached) The Sadist "Penis in Pussy" (atta...
Riding the Trenwave: Safety Propaganda Records (W/ Zac Davis) 24.03.2023 1:22:02
What started as a Substack and a podcast but became a prolonged conceptual art project IS NOW a full-circuit multimedia assault! Making good on his promise to broaden Safety Propaganda's reach, Adam launches SAFETY PROPAGANDA RECORDS in more attempts to aesthetically unbrainwash the masses. Text, image and NOW SOUND to break the programming and see the truth, for real. And who better to launch the...
Shadow Ring Covers (W/ Eric Schmid and Connor Tomaka) 14.03.2023 1:49:46
Artist/philosopher/mathematician Eric Schmid and artist, researcher, and member of industrial music collective Ono Connor Tomaka join SOS by SP. We discuss Connor and Eric's recent collaborative essay on Dimes Square, in my mind the only one of many Dimes thinky pieces to get it right, as well as the connections between mathematics and art, Reza, Brassier, the state of noise music, Shadow Ring cov...
PREVIEW Fear of Lewdness (w/ Cliff Sargent) 27.02.2023 13:19
Cliff Sargent runs the very popular Youtube literary show Better than Food where he offers his candid thoughts on the books he reads. He has excellent taste, and is capable of communicating his thoughts in a refreshingly legible manner: Bataille, Clarice Lispector, Cormac McCarthy and even Adam have all been reviewed on his show (and his influence is proven by the spike in book sales Communication...
Copenhagen Cowpunks (W/ Bradford Kessler and Glen Rockney) 27.01.2023 1:36:56
In this episode, brothers in arms Adam, Will, artist Bradford Kessler and Rare Candy co-host Glen Rockney convene to discuss Nicolas Winding Refn's new six-hour Netflix series Copenhagen Cowboy, and the broader career arc of the Danish auteur. Other topics include feminism, bodybuilding, Friedkin,Spengler, and I don't remember what else. Love. Hate. Can ya feel it? CAN YOU FEEL IT? SOUNDTRACK : Cl...
PREVIEW Attacking the Castle from Within (W/ BILLY CORGAN) 09.01.2023 21:31
Around August of 2022, Adam opened up his email to find what was a message of profound encouragement, and could hardly believe it when it was addressed from "William Patrick Corgan," otherwise known as the frontman of Adam's first ever favorite band The Smashing Pumpkins. But that's exactly who it was. Billy had read Adam's 2021 book 'Communions' and, from there, a creative camaraderie developed....
Emperor Bezos (W/ Lev Parker) 06.01.2023 1:54:00
Old friend, colleague within the Counter-Agency of the Avant-Garde, and editor of Morbid Books Lev Parker stops by SOS by SP once more to discuss collaborating with Adam on the Morbid Books-published Safety Propaganda Manifesto for Conceptual Warfare. There is also much discussion about the absolute collapse of competence in the modern world, and the possibility that a Bezos emperorship might be t...
PREVIEW Flame it All (W/ Kevin Kautzman and Brad Kelly) 16.12.2022 14:21
The men of Art of Darkness podcast, Brad Kelly and Kevin Kautzman, join Adam to discuss Kanye and the legacy of endurance based performance art, the appeal of performance enhancing drugs, the late playwright Sarah Kane, Emil Cioran and the upcoming third season of their show. FULL EPISODE HERE SOUNDTRACK: Outpatients "TV Violence" Big Flame "Debra" Radical Retards "Elvis" DJ Freak "Analogue Terro...
Conservacucking (w/ Glen Rockney) 08.12.2022 1:34:19
Old friend Glen of Rare Candy and Back Wall pods joins us once again to further stuff the digital void with some more content: Balenciaga, pedos, Kanye. You know the drill. Soundtrack: Hunting Lodge "S hadow out of TIme " Seigneur Voland "Ma Necropole" Kevin Coyne " Eastbourne Ladies " Tav Falco Panther Burns "Bourgeois Blues" Bone Crusher "Never Scared" LINKS: Glen Twitter: @GlenRockney Rare Cand...
Mostly Gut and Nut (W/ Kevin Tobin) 24.10.2022 1:49:44
Friend, artist, and the lone homosexual attendee of Adam's bachelor party Kevin Tobin joins SOS by SP. We discuss his current solo show at Lubov Gallery, his unique marital situation, art world lore, and the absolute worst in contemporary painting. SOUNDTRACK : Die Kombination "Leibenbluster" Normil Hawaiians "Martin" Ectomorph "In Dreams" Eric's Trip "Eyes Shut" OUTRO Kevin Tobin and Jesse Simins...
(PREVIEW) Damaged Blonde Ambition (W/ Jack Mason and Filthy Armenian) 05.10.2022 8:14
Enlisting the incendiary voices of old friends Filthy Armenian, of Filthy Armenian's Adventures and the Back Wall, and Jack Mason, of the Perfume Nationalist, the conversation turns towards the formerly retired pop cultural trope that is the damaged blonde, once again alive and well! Two of the most discussed cultural artifacts right now revive the damaged blonde to Promethean proportions! First,...
(PREVIEW) Hellenic Glory (W/ Zach Brown) 23.09.2022 16:35
Adam has returned from his travels abroad. To inaugurate the return of System of Systems by Safety Propaganda, artist Zach Brown joins the show to discuss his work, his time at RISD, pussy, travel, Melrose Place, Vince Gilligan, ancient Greece and more. FULL EPISODE HERE SOUNDTRACK: Beat Happening "You Turn me On" Bruno Cossano "Violent Desire" Nation of Ulysses "Spectra Sonic Sound" Boyd Rice "Si...
Immersed in Death (W/ Worth) 27.08.2022 1:21:26
Adam speaks with American harsh noise master Worth, aka William Van Gorder, who has a new record on White Centipede Noise called Sacred Violence Noise. Will recorded the album while on residency in Thailand, and throughout the conversation relays the experiences he had there and in his Southeast Asia journey more broadly. What is it like to make noise for an audience that has no fucking clue what...
(PREVIEW) Satanic Art Phag Propaganda (W/ Psyop Resistor) 03.08.2022 10:25
A long anticipated episode, Adam and crew delve into the history and culture of black metal, enlisting the help of metalhead Psyop Resistor. The crew explains how they came to find intrigue in the genre, and then dive into some of their favorite and most evil albums of the canon. FULL EPISODE SOUNDTRACK : (Psyop's pick) Vothana "Vi Muon Tra Thu o" (Adam's pick)Torgeist "Devoted to Satan " (Psyop's...
(TEASER) Anal Blunt (W/ JJ Ruiz) 27.07.2022 13:51
JJ Ruiz is an Austin-based musician who has played with several punk and hardcore bands since the 2000s. With one of those bands, Naw Dude, he opened for Anal Cunt. In this episode, he relays his stories about AC's late iconic frontman and one of the greatest American performance artists of the last two decades Seth Putnam. This episode is all about Seth, an artist as important to us as Vito Accon...
Ready to Fight (W/ Udith Dematagoda) 26.07.2022 1:29:30
Writer, Hyperidean Press publisher, and Adam's editor Udith Dematagoda joins the show once more. This time we're discussing the cultural resonance of Fight Club over 25 years down the line, and the importance of revolutionary violence to the masculine psyche. Other topics include the mindblowing year for American indie film that was 1999, Ukraine, why BAP is the Rob Halford of pseudo-philosophy, a...
The Diving Man (W/ Brad Kelly) 16.07.2022 1:52:53
Writer and co-host of the Art of Darkness podcast Brad Kelly is here. Brad's writing plays with the genre of sci-fi and pushes it to the outer realms of the weird, as evinced by his latest novel 'House of Sleep' from 2021. Here we discuss that novel, sci-fi, Phillip K. Dick, and more, as well as the opioid epidemic, Jim Jones and the People's Temple and Baz Luhrmann's Elvis biopic. Soundtrack : Pl...
Not Human (PREVIEW) (W/ Madeline Kuzak) 05.07.2022 11:36
Prior to the day of our independence, Adam calls up his friend, the artist from Detroit and soon to move to New York Madeline Kuzak. Maddie works in painting and illustration, as well as performance and more conceptual driven work. When Adam introduced his theory of Crytographic Transgressive art in in Amphetamine Sulphate's 'Human Rights' anthology, Maddie was one of the artists he used to bolste...
Charlie Sheen's Trigger Threshold (w/ Will Sheldon) 26.06.2022 1:29:56
Adam and Will are joined by New York-based artist and tattooer Will Sheldon. Will discusses his work with us: paintings and drawings of fantastical and fairy tale imagery but with a uniquely troubling and dark iteration fitting for our times. Will is also a tattooer and in contra to others working between the art world and tattoo culture (others typically tend to make clear distinction between the...
The Gay Cowboys of Contemporary Politics (PREVIEW) (W/ Kelby Losack and J. David Osborne) 22.06.2022 10:28
In this episode, Adam and Will are joined by the writers and co-hosts of the Agitator podcast, J. David Osborne and Kelby Losack. Both of these honorable men have new book projects out. Kelby's new novel is 'Letting out the Devils'. And David's new book is a hallucinatory essay called 'You Pray for Dry Weather at the Sight of the Sun'. We discuss those new works, video games, Cronenberg, cooming,...
God Damn It Feels Good to Look Like a Gangsta (PREVIEW) (With Mikey MDC) 06.06.2022 10:16
Mr. Mikey MDC, gangsta' stylist and menswear sartorial genius, joins the program to discuss one of our crypto fascinations: style and fashion. Style icons. Style in films. How do we dress? Is fashion design, at its best, a form of art, or should it be? All this and more. SOUNDTRACK: Masonna - Sonic Devil 1 Darkstyle - Behind the Rainbow Silver Chalice - Hot Tears Stretchheads - Anal Beard Willia...
Artaud's Mexico (An Alien Landscape) (W/ DC Miller) 21.05.2022 1:52:11
Writer and philosopher Daniel Miller joins SOS once more. DC has just returned from an enlightening trip in Mexico where he engaged in Peyote rituals. DC relays us his exploits and discusses the medicinal values of the Peyote cacti. We also discuss Artaud's journeys throughout Mexico, the ego death, the specific metaphysical content of Mexican artists, the end of the Covid psyop and the beginning...
The Final Nail (w/ Sean Kilpatrick) 03.05.2022 1:45:58
The boys are joined by poet and novelist Sean Kilpatrick to discuss the state of literature, the cultural shift, the force feeding of Toni Morrison, Darius James, Charlie Rose, the Northman, Fresh, Jim Goad, the Gen X cool girl era, the Depp/Heard defamation case and the end of #MeToo. Soundtrack: Pichismo "Kontrau" 4A DJ Assault "Mr. Muthafukka" Hegemon "Stigmata" Eugene McDaniels "Outlaw" Blood...
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