Jesse Mase, Zach Way
Stuff Your Pastor Won't Say
Too political for the pulpit, too theological for politics.... spiritual warfare, conspiracies, creation, masculinity, and everyday life collide as Jesse and Zach have conversations about what’s true and what actually matters. No scripts, no polished answers, just two guys working out their convictions and inviting you to think deeper along with them.
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Jesse Mase, Zach Way
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May 10, 2026
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Episodes
009: True Myth & Story 10.05.2026 1:24:06
Something every good story seems to echo: death and resurrection, good and evil, sacrifice and redemption, truth and deception. In this episode, we talk about the idea of “true myth,” a phrase tied to C.S. Lewis and J.R.R. Tolkien, and how the gospel is not just another myth, but the true story that all the best stories seem to point back to. We get into why stories like Lord of the Rings, Narnia,...
008: The Unseen Realm & LOTR 29.04.2026 57:18
What if The Lord of the Rings could help us contextualize the unseen realm more clearly? We talk about: Tolkien, Michael Heiser’s The Unseen Realm, the divine council, spiritual hierarchy, evil, corruption and stewardship. This episode is basically Zach taking five business days to make one point because he is thinking out loud and trying to organize a Tolkien thought, a theology thought, and a fa...
007: The Watchers 02.03.2026 1:29:57
Something that doesn’t get talked about much in normal church circles: the Sons of God, the Watchers, and the Nephilim. In this episode, we explore what the text actually says and why it has captured so much imagination over the centuries. We look at the different interpretations people hold and why this conversation matters more than we might think. In this conversation, we discuss: Why the “sons...
What is next? 07.02.2026 1:15:17
As we close out Season 1, this episode zooms out and sets the stage for where the conversation is headed next. We wrestle with identity, the fall, and the consequences that still shape our theology, churches, families, and culture today. From shallow faith and church hurt to the supernatural, mystery, and the limits of what humans can truly know about God, this episode isn’t about neat answers. It...
005: The Fall 30.01.2026 59:46
The fall didn’t just introduce sin. It fractured work, marriage, desire, and identity. In this episode we finish the Genesis 3 narrative by looking at what God says after Adam and Eve eat the fruit. Is this a set of punishments, or an explanation of how life now works outside of God’s original design? We walk through the curse on the serpent, the multiplied pain of childbearing, the breakdown of h...
004: Cunning Serpent 02.01.2026 54:43
There was a couple of pivotal moments leading to humanity's original sin, in this episode on the early chapters of Genesis. we discuss the story of the serpent's deception, Eve's temptation, and Adam's complicity in eating the forbidden fruit. We discuss theological, psychological, and even fringe ideas, then analyze the communication gaps and blame-shifting between Adam and Eve, a...
003: Eve's Identity 11.12.2025 53:14
Dive into the early chapters of Genesis to discuss the creation of Eve and her significant role as a 'suitable helper'. We explore the distinctions between Genesis 1 and 2, challenge the modern interpretations that diminish or misunderstand this concept. Highlighting the term 'Ezer', used both for Eve and God, we reveal the profound significance of Eve's role. This episode resh...
002: Work 27.11.2025 1:27:05
We look at work through the lens of Genesis, where God plants a garden and places Adam in it to cultivate and keep it. Work wasn’t a burden, it was part of design. It gave purpose, structure, and a way to partner with God in bringing order to creation. We talk about how that original assignment still shapes us, why responsibility is tied to identity, and why avoiding work always leaves us restless...
001: Imago Dei 18.11.2025 1:25:01
This episode opens by going straight to the beginning. We talk through Genesis 1:26–28 and why understanding where we come from shapes how we move through the world. We unpack identity, purpose, dominion, male and female, and why modern culture feels so directionless. We share real conversations from work, from friends, and from parenting, where people feel lost, overwhelmed, or unsure who they ar...
000: Intro 17.11.2025 1:26:38
This intro sets the stage for what Stuff Your Pastor Won’t Say actually is and why it exists. We talk about the moment we both felt a push to do more, to step into something beyond work, parenting, and the busyness of life. That shared call is what sparked this project. We walk through how our backgrounds shaped us, from being homeschooled to punk scenes, carpentry, missions work, and eventually l...
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