Still Learning

Letting God prevail sounds simple, but in real life it often requires surrendering control. Rebecca and Gunnar explore how Jacob’s life illustrates this principle through years of struggle, growth, and divine intervention. From the dream at Bethel to the wrestle at Peniel and the emotional reunion with Esau, Jacob learns that God’s promises unfold in God’s way—not ours. The discussion highlights h...

Some people wrestle with church leaders. Others wrestle with culture. But what happens when you wrestle directly with God? Abraham pleads. The brother of Jared petitions. A desperate Gentile mother refuses to leave. Again and again, scripture shows that holy wrestling draws us closer to God, not farther away from Him. In this episode, Rebecca and Gunnar explore the difference between rebellion and...

Rebecca and Gunnar explore Hagar’s story as one of the most intimate covenant moments in scripture. They talk about power, blindness, and what it means to be unseen by people but fully seen by God. Rebecca reflects on oppression, gender, and inherited assumptions, while Gunnar probes how God remains just without abandoning imperfect servants. The conversation doesn’t rush past discomfort. Instead,...

Gunnar and Rebecca discuss the story of Noah not as an escape plan, but as a blueprint for carrying people through inevitable storms. Joined by special guests Kim and LaVar Kofoed, they reflect on what it means to build something capable of holding faith, family, and love when control is impossible. Drawing on scripture and lived experience, the conversation centers on preparation without panic, t...

Before Zion can exist as a place, it has to exist as a way of seeing. In this episode, Gunnar and Rebecca reflect on blind spots, personal growth, and the quiet ways judgment creeps into faith. If Zion is defined by purity of heart, what does that demand of us individually? This conversation invites listeners to consider that building Zion may begin not with changing the world—but with changing ho...

Faith rarely moves in straight lines. Gunnar and Rebecca dig into genealogies, priesthood timelines, and the overlooked story of Mahalaleel to talk about generational faith. Why do some people learn quickly while others take decades—or longer? This episode explores patience, covenantal hope, and God’s long view of families. It’s a conversation for anyone praying for someone they love.

Most of us instinctively avoid resistance and pain. But what if opposition is not an obstacle to God’s plan—what if it is the plan? Drawing from Genesis and Moses, this episode explores how agency, resistance, and suffering shape divine character. Gunnar and Rebecca challenge the idea that ease equals righteousness. If you’ve ever wondered why God doesn’t just remove your trials, this conversation...

When we hit Genesis 1–2, we often get rushed straight into arguing about how creation happened. In this episode, Gunnar and Rebecca step back and ask what the story is actually trying to show us about identity, purpose, and God’s intentions. They explore the repeated refrain “and it was good” and what it means to be good even while you’re still unfinished. They also talk about light vs. darkness a...

What if the hardest parts of your life weren’t assigned—but chosen? In this episode, Gunnar and Rebecca explore the idea that premortal choosing wasn’t abstract, but deeply personal. They connect Christ’s “Here am I, send me” to Isaiah’s call and to our own lives. That perspective doesn’t minimize suffering—but it can give it meaning. If we volunteered knowing growth required pain, then endurance...

The Old Testament is full of messy families, broken covenants, and hard lessons—and that may be its greatest strength. In this episode, Gunnar and Rebecca explore why imperfection does not disqualify people from God’s work. They reflect on how faith operates across generations and why covenant promises often outlive the people who make them. The discussion reframes divine restraint as love rather...

Gunnar and Rebecca explore the idea that Christmas was not merely a quiet moment in a stable, but a cosmic celebration echoing promises made long before mortality. They examine the role of the heavenly hosts in Luke 2 and connect that rejoicing to premortal and postmortal celebrations described in scripture. The discussion reframes Christmas as a pivotal milestone in the eternal plan of salvation....

Gunnar and Rebecca explore how to apply the Proclamation in families that include LGBTQ members or others who feel they don't fit traditional patterns. They discuss Elder Cook’s teachings on compassion and inclusion, as well as modern Church resources that urge love, listening, and understanding. Their conversation highlights how families can remain united even when navigating difficult terrai...

This episode explores the turbulent history behind Official Declarations 1 and 2, emphasizing the human and spiritual struggles that surrounded both decisions. Gunnar and Rebecca outline the legal pressure, family separation, and emotional trauma experienced during the end of plural marriage, showing how deeply the Saints wrestled with obedience when the cost felt overwhelming. They then shift to...

This episode explores D&C 137–138 through the lens of judgment, desire, and the remarkable consistency of God’s love. Gunnar and Rebecca dive deep into Joseph Smith’s vision of the celestial kingdom and Joseph F. Smith’s expansive revelation of the spirit world. They discuss why God judges both works  and  desires, and what that means for discipleship today. Powerful scriptural connections—Mor...

From conspiracies in the Hamilton House to the political stakes of the 1844 election, this episode connects the dots in ways most Latter-day Saints never hear. Gunnar and Rebecca walk through the overlapping pressures leading to the martyrdom and examine the lone eyewitness account of the “light” at the well. They also wrestle with the moral implications of political hatred, the temptation to demo...

In this episode, Gunnar and Rebecca dive into D&C 133–134 with both urgency and hope, asking what it  really  means to prepare to meet Christ. Exploring fear, faith, accountability, and the difference between knowing  about  the Savior and  actually knowing  Him, they draw on personal stories, early Church history, and modern prophetic counsel to reframe the Second Coming as a deeply redemptiv...

Joseph Smith’s final years saw a torrent of revolutionary doctrine—resurrected angels, eternal marriage, exaltation, and the plurality of Gods. Gunnar and Rebecca trace the breathtaking sequence of those revelations and ask what they teach us about divine progression today. If God is still revealing truth, what might He reveal next—and are we ready to receive it?

When silver is purified, the refiner knows it’s ready when he can see his face in it. That image — the craftsman gazing into molten silver — is one of the most tender metaphors in scripture. In this conversation, Gunnar and Rebecca explore what it means for God to “see Himself” in His Saints. Through the Refiner’s fire, they look at how purification works — not all at once, but through countless,...

What if your hardest moments aren’t about God testing you—but about you discovering something about yourself? Drawing from President Hugh B. Brown’s piercing reminder that “Abraham needed to learn something about Abraham,” Gunnar and Rebecca trace that principle through D&C 124, Liberty Jail, and the building of Nauvoo. Together they wrestle with what divine testing really means, and how the L...

When Joseph Smith penned the words, “Let us cheerfully do all things that lie in our power,” he was cold, hungry, and imprisoned. In this week’s study, Rebecca and Gunnar explore how that counsel — born in suffering — still calls us to faith today. From the siege of Far West to Emma’s letters of love, from the cry “O God, where art thou?” to the Lord’s answer, “My son, peace be unto thy soul,” thi...

In this powerful episode, Gunnar and Rebecca walk through D&C 115–120 —revelations received in one of the darkest and most defining chapters of early Church history. From the exodus out of Kirtland to the command to build a temple in Far West, to Sidney Rigdon’s “Salt Sermon”, his "4th of July Oration" and the rise of the Missouri-Mormon war, we explore how faith, fear, and fortitude...

In this episode of Still Learning, Gunnar and Rebecca start by reflecting on a historic and emotional week—President Nelson’s passing and a tragic attack on Saints at worship. Those events set the stage for a heartfelt conversation about love, faith, and what it means to treasure others as God does. Turning to Doctrine & Covenants 111–114, they explore Joseph Smith’s desperate trip to Salem in...

In this episode of Still Learning, Gunnar and Rebecca dive into Doctrine & Covenants 109–110, recounting the dedication of the Kirtland Temple and the Lord’s subsequent appearance. Together they reflect on Lord’s impossible command to build a temple with only a handful of poor Saints—and how their faith and sacrifice can inspire us to move forward in our own daunting challenges.

What difference would it make if we could see each other the way God sees us? Gunnar and Rebecca explore this question through the lens of D&C 106–108. From Warren Cowdery’s quiet calling to the heavenly confirmation of priesthood blessings, the message is the same: heaven rejoices when we turn toward the light. This conversation invites us to see beyond weakness, to recognize divine worth in...

In this episode of “Still Learning,” Gunnar and Rebecca reframe Zion’s Camp and the Lord’s call to “sue for peace”: not weakness, but disciplined strength. If you’re tired of outrage on loop, this conversation shows a better way—clean hands, courageous hearts, and small, deliberate steps toward Zion this week. It’s forward-looking, doable, and rooted in the Savior’s kind of power.