Gun Owners of America
State of the Second
"State of the Second isn’t your typical 2A podcast—it’s a backstage pass into the firearms industry. Hosted by Kailey Nieman and John Fahrner, we sit down with the real people behind the brands, builds, and big ideas shaping the gun world. From shop owners to social media legends, each episode dives into how they got started, what keeps them going, and what it really takes to make it in the firearms industry, plus the battles they face along the way. If you’ve ever wondered how to break into the industry or what it’s like behind the scenes, this is your front-row seat."
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Gun Owners of America
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Jul 9, 2026
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Episodes
Behind the Scenes with the GOA Family (Dysfunction and all!) | #12 GOA Team 22.11.2023 51:57
State of the Second goes off the legislative beat for a Thanksgiving roundtable. Hosts Kaylee and John sit down with two of GOA's own media people: Tiffany, the videographer behind the Minuteman Moment and host of One in the Chamber, and Ben, a federal affairs lobbyist who now fronts the Minuteman Moment. The episode is built around gratitude, the team's favorite moments from the year, a...
Gun Rights Activist Definitions, Tyrannical Policies, and 1000% Excise Tax | #11 Ghost Tactical 15.11.2023 47:58
State of the Second hosts Kaylee and John bring on Trey from Ghost Tactical, a Marine Corps veteran and 2A content creator, for a wide-ranging conversation about what it actually means to be a gun rights activist. Trey resists the activist label, arguing it belongs to people doing the political work at the highest level, while Kaylee pushes back with GOA's definition: an activist is anyone wh...
NFA Laws, House Joint Resolution, and Unequal Restrictions | #10 Matador Arms 08.11.2023 52:07
Dave from Matador Arms joins hosts Kaylee and John to talk about what the federal brace rule did to a small firearms maker, and how Matador is pivoting to survive it. Matador builds 9mm PCCs that run a bufferless, forward-charging system and work with any AR9 lower, from Glock to Sig to CZ Scorpion magazines. The company started in Canada, and Dave and his partners bought it after the previous own...
Domestic Violence, Woman in the Gun Community & Due Process | #9 Kerry Slone, Executive Director at CrimeResearch.Org 31.10.2023 23:43
To wrap up Domestic Violence month, John and Kailey sit down with Kerry Slone, the Executive Director of Education at crimeresearch.org. We emphasize women's involvement in the firearms community and the necessity of building knowledge and confidence. Our conversation also touches upon the intricacies of background checks and highlights the importance of due process.👏 Learn more at CrimeRes...
Zero Tolerance Policy, Loopholes, and Guns in Hollywood. | #8 EAA Corp 25.10.2023 41:36
This week’s episode of State of the Second features an insightful discussion between John, Kailey, and Chase Duffey, the National Sales and Import Manager at EAA Corp. The episode offers an in-depth exploration of the ATF’s Zero Tolerance Policy, uncovering its implications for gun stores and the potential loopholes it presents. They also dive into various difficulties faced in the process of impo...
Gun Confiscation & Youtube is making more Gun Owners? | #7 Clint Morgan 18.10.2023 1:07:17
In this episode, John and Kailey are joined by Clint “Mag Dump” Morgan, the Brand Engagement Manager at Classic Firearms, one of the largest online retailers for military surplus firearms in the United States. Clint tells the story of Classic Firearms, as well as the challenges they’ve faced running a gun channel, and why he’s optimistic about their future on YouTube. They discuss the ATF’s war on...
The ATF’S Two Faced Approach to Import/Export & Debunking Misconceptions About Turkish - Made Firearms | #6 SAR Firearms 11.10.2023 1:11:16
This week on State of the Second, Kailey and John sit down with VP of sales, marketing and product development of SAR Firearms, Jacob Phair. They address the full spectrum of issues and logistical considerations surrounding firearm imports, while also dissecting perceived inconsistencies within the ATF and deliberating on the potential consequences of the Safer Banking Act.
Giving a Voice to a Silent Majority | #5 Nine Line Apparel 04.10.2023 1:10:25
In this episode, John and Kailey sit down with Nathan Kilburn, Senior Account Manager, and John Bohannon, Sales Director at Nine Line Apparel. Nine Line is a veteran-founded lifestyle brand, dedicated to giving back to the military and first responder communities that fought and died for our freedoms. They tell the story of how Nine Line was created by helicopter pilot Tyler Merritt, and how the c...
How the Pistol Brace BAN Attacks Disabled Shooters | #4 - Battle Buddy 3Gun 27.09.2023 47:41
This week on State of the Second, Kailey and John sit down with Frankie Waddell, VP and Secretary at BattleBuddy3Gun, and Jack Smith, President at BattleBuddy3Gun. They break down the more compassionate side of the Second Amendment community and show how we can come together to make a difference for shooters who refuse to let any challenge—physical or otherwise—prevent them from bearing arms. They...
ATF's War On Plastic, 1000% Gun Tax & Brace Ban | #3 - Century Arms 20.09.2023 1:33:00
This week on State of the Second Kailey and John sit down with Adam Ruonala, the VP of Marketing and Business Development at Canik and Century Arms. They break down the latest on government overreach, import restrictions, ATF's War on Plastic, and the 1000% gun tax. Oh my! Want to help support our fight against the ATF? Grab our latest limited edition shirt from Nine Line Apparel! http...
Liberty Safe Turns its back on its Customers? | #2 - Secureit 15.09.2023 16:15
Introducing The State of the Second Podcast, presented by GOA. Join Kailey and John as they pull back the curtain of the firearms industry through conversations with the community and industry leaders. We will discuss, policy, activism, and industry insights. Follow State of the Second: https://linktr.ee/stateofthesecond ------------------- Join GOA: https://donate.gunowners.org/youtube/ Like on F...
Origins of Eotech, Guns and Video Games | #1 - Eotech 13.09.2023 54:15
In this episode, we sit down with @eotechinc VP of Marketing, John Bailey. We discuss guns and games, how policy affects EOtech, and how EOtech got its start! Introducing The State of the Second Podcast, presented by GOA. Join Kailey and John as they pull back the curtain of the firearms industry through conversations with the community and industry leaders. We will discuss, policy, activism, and...
What is the State of the Second Podcast? | #0 08.09.2023 14:18
In this Episode, Kailey and John introduce you to the State of the Second Podcast. Join us as we explore pull back the curtain on the firearms industry and discuss policy, activism, and the business of the firearms industry.
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