Rob Walling
Startups For the Rest of Us
The original podcast for bootstrapped and mostly bootstrapped startups, this show follow the stories of founders as they start, acquire, and grow SaaS companies. Hear when they fail, struggle, succeed, and take you with them through the tumultuous life of a SaaS founder. If you like Mixergy, This Week in Startups, or SaaStr, you’ll enjoy Startup for the Rest of Us.
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Rob Walling
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Oct 27, 2026
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Episodes
Episode 856 | Key Learnings from MicroConf Europe 2026 27.10.2026 45:19
What did you miss at our biggest MicroConf Europe ever? In this episode, Rob Walling and Derrick Reimer recap MicroConf Europe 2026 in Reykjavik, Iceland. They break down the talks on ranking in ChatGPT and AI SEO, Rob's eight moats that still work in the age of AI, and Corey Haines on marketing skills for Claude. Plus, the hallway track, a stunning venue, and a hike to a geothermal river at the t...
Episode 855 | The Eight SaaS Moats that Still Work in the Age of AI 20.10.2026 1:00:19
Which SaaS moats are left in 2026? In this episode, Rob Walling and Einar Vollset walk through the 10 ways AI is attacking SaaS companies, from customers vibe coding the app to per-seat revenue disappearing entirely. They then dig into the 8 moats they believe still work in the age of AI, with real examples like Stripe, Gusto, SignWell, and Gymdesk. They finish with how founders can go on offense...
Episode 854 | How to Find Startup Ideas (Sneak Peek Chapter from My New Book) 13.10.2026 23:14
Where do the best SaaS ideas actually come from? In this episode, Rob reads a chapter from his new book, Idea to Traction: Stop Building SaaS Nobody Wants in the Age of AI. He walks through the five places problems tend to show up, eight strategic approaches for finding and shaping a product idea (with real examples), and when it makes sense to replicate an existing idea. Pre-order the hardback be...
Episode 853 | How to Become the SaaS That AI Recommends 06.10.2026 31:09
How do you get LLMs to actually recommend your SaaS? In this episode, Rob Walling talks with Ross Hudgens, founder of Siege Media and author of the new book Generative Engine Optimization, about how SaaS companies get recommended by ChatGPT, Gemini, and the AI tools customers now use to shop. They cover why "best X" roundups and versus articles outperform, how much Reddit actually matters, and wh...
Episode 852 | Getting Big Name Customer Case Studies and More Listener Questions (with Ruben Gamez) 29.09.2026 32:18
Should you be worried that another founder will steal your idea if you ask them for advice? In this episode, Rob is joined by Ruben Gamez to answer four listener questions: whether reaching out to more advanced founders puts your idea at risk, how to convince big name customers to agree to a case study, what to do when a platform ecosystem (like Shopify's app store) turns hostile, and how to sell...
Episode 851 | The Messy Middle of a SaaS Pivot 22.09.2026 43:57
How do you pivot your SaaS when things aren’t working? This week Rob talks with Nathan Tyler, founder of BlinkMetrics, about the messy, uncertain process of finding product market fit in real time. Nathan walks through why his original EOS scorecard idea didn't work, how hundreds of coffee chats led to a done for you reporting business, and why he just launched a second product, BlinkPages, right...
Episode 850 | How Not to Screw Up When Hiring Your first Developer and More Listener Questions (with Derrick Reimer) 15.09.2026 51:23
How do you onboard a hire onto a codebase you built alone? In this episode, Derrick Reimer joins Rob to tackle four listener questions. They cover hiring and onboarding your first developer as a bootstrapped founder, then move into the temptation to build features just because AI makes them cheap to ship, getting past social anxiety as a founder, and whether it's worth trademarking your product na...
Episode 849 | Legal Threats, AI as Platform Risk, Building Confidence, and More Listener Questions (Rob Solo) 08.09.2026 29:04
Ever gotten a vague cease and desist from a competitor and wondered if you actually did something wrong? This week I tackle four listener questions: how seriously to take competitor terms of service threats, whether AI is really a platform risk (or just a feature risk), how to build confidence and get past the fear of reaching out to prospects, and when a non-founder employee should walk away from...
Episode 848 | What Liquid Death Can Teach Us About B2B SaaS (Rob Solo) 01.09.2026 22:44
Does validation still matter when AI has made building software almost free? In this solo episode, Rob breaks down the origin story of Liquid Death, the canned water company now valued at over a billion dollars, and pulls out the mental models that apply directly to B2B SaaS. He covers why ideas come from being in the arena, how founder Mike Cessario validated the concept with a fake product befor...
Episode 847 | What Second Time Founders Do Differently, Pricing AI Agents, and More Listener Questions (Rob Solo) 25.08.2026 28:55
Would you spend a year on distribution for a product that doesn't exist yet? In this solo episode, Rob answers listener questions about how second and third-time founders think differently, from filtering a dozen good ideas down to one, to why distribution and validation matter more the second time around. He also digs into how to sell and price AI agents, and whether a long enterprise sales cycle...
Episode 846 | Snail Mail, Cold Calling, Regulating Your Nervous System, and More Listener Questions (Rob Solo) 18.08.2026 29:36
Is your nervous system sabotaging your best decisions? In this episode, Rob mixes a solo adventure with listener questions. He answers a reader who asks why he still shows up to write, record, and build, then digs into regulating your nervous system when you have to do something that scares you. He wraps with two listener questions on direct snail mail outreach and on cold calling in an industry y...
Episode 845 | Lifetime Deals Revisited, Building is Not the Hard Part, and Confirming an Idea is Worth Paying For (Rob Solo) 11.08.2026 32:46
What does it take to make a lifetime deal work? In this listener questions episode, Rob Walling revisits the lifetime pricing debate with new context from Davis Baer of Youform. He also tackles why building is rarely the hard part, how bootstrappers get shut out of startup discount programs, what to watch for when signing customer agreements ahead of an acquisition, and why nearly every successful...
Episode 844 | Building a $1M+ ARR SaaS for Laundromats 04.08.2026 42:47
What does it take to build a seven figure SaaS in a market almost no one thinks about? In this episode, Rob Walling sits down with Brian Henderson, co-founder of Wash-Dry-Fold POS, to walk through the 10-year arc of building it in one of the most overlooked markets there is: laundromats. From selling other people's hardware as a scrappy reseller, to teaching himself to rebuild the entire product o...
Episode 843 | Success Patterns of $1M+ SaaS Founders 28.07.2026 33:37
Are you building systems for your team, or are you still the system? In this episode, Rob Walling talks with Julien Marzouk, a former SaaS founder and coach who has worked with hundreds of seven and eight figure founders over the past decade. Julien breaks down six recurring patterns he sees in founders who scale past a million, from the identity shift of moving from operator to leader, to the vi...
Episode 842 | What is the Future of SaaS in an AI World? (Rob Solo) 21.07.2026 24:44
Is SaaS dead now that AI can build an app in a weekend? In this solo episode, Rob Walling gives his most definitive answer yet to the question flooding the internet: what's the future of SaaS now that AI makes it easier than ever to build and copy a product? He breaks down the four most common claims that AI will kill Saas, and explains why the real SaaS apocalypse is coming for overpriced incumbe...
Episode 841 | One-time Payments, Growing a Step 2 Business, Positioning, and More Listener Questions (Rob Solo) 14.07.2026 27:39
Should you keep pouring time into a business that will probably never be huge? In this episode, Rob Walling answers listener questions about whether to keep growing a "step two" B2C business despite platform risk, when one-time payments make sense versus subscriptions, and how to price and position a Shopify app that needs custom implementation work. Want to get your question answered? Drop it her...
Episode 840 | 5 PM Revisited, Starting Over After Failure, Never Shipping, and More Listener Questions (Rob Solo) 07.07.2026 32:46
What's really stopping you from shipping your product and how do you finally push through? In this listener questions episode, Rob Walling covers a lot of ground: revisiting the 5PM framework with more opinionated guidance on pricing and market size, the right time to use vibe coding in your SaaS, why B2C apps are brutal, how to rebuild after startup failure, and the mindset shift needed to finall...
Episode 839 | The Journey Growing Help Scout to $35M ARR 30.06.2026 36:15
What happens when a bootstrapper at heart raises $28 million and spends the next decade living with that decision? In this episode, Rob Walling sits down with Nick Francis, the co-founder of Help Scout, to walk through the full 15-year arc of building one of the most beloved support tools in SaaS. From the cramped Techstars apartment he shared with a co-founder, to the decision to become a public...
Episode 838 | 6 Key Takeaways From a TinySeed Batch Kick-Off 23.06.2026 25:42
What do 15 brand-new TinySeed founders have in common? In this solo episode, Rob Walling shares six key takeaways from the most recent TinySeed batch kickoff in New York City. He covers why asking "why" is the most underrated founder habit, why pricing is still the biggest lever in SaaS and positioning might be the second biggest, why AI SEO is already a real channel and more. He also makes the c...
Episode 837 | How Do You Learn Product? and Optimizing Your Trial Funnel (with Ruben Gamez) 16.06.2026 43:20
How does a founder actually learn the skill of product? In this episode, Rob Walling talks with Ruben Gamez of SignWell and Bidsketch to answer listener questions that turned into a much deeper conversation than expected. They cover why friction works well for one of Ruben's products and kills conversions on the other, how to think about trial length and onboarding when users need more time, and w...
Episode 836 | The 5 A.I. Moats Acquirers Value Most 09.06.2026 34:05
Is your SaaS actually protected from AI disruption, or are acquirers walking away without even looking? In this episode, Rob Walling talks with Einar Vollset of Discretion Capital for a front-lines SaaS M&A market report, covering how the acquisition climate has shifted since 2021, why some PE firms now require at least one AI moat before they'll even look at a deal, and a breakdown of all fiv...
Episode 835 | The Right Way to Use AI in Your Startup Marketing 02.06.2026 32:00
Are you using AI in your marketing because it's actually good, or just because it's fast? In this episode, Rob Walling sits down with Taylor Hendricksen, a performance marketer who has managed tens of millions of dollars in ad spend across Meta and Google, to talk about where AI is genuinely useful and where it produces flat, mediocre output that makes you look like everyone else. They also dig in...
Episode 834 | Eric Ries Revisits The Lean Startup and Discusses How to Become Incorruptible 26.05.2026 39:51
Is AI actually making your build-measure-learn cycle faster, or just making your work more average? In this episode, Rob Walling talks with Eric Ries, author of The Lean Startup , to revisit what's held up in Lean Startup thinking 15 years on, why AI speeds up building but can't replace human learning, and what drove Eric to write his new book, Incorruptible . Eric also shares the story of how th...
Episode 833 | Success Patterns of Nobel Laureates, Developing Expertise, and From Zero to $10k (A Rob Solo Adventure) 19.05.2026 29:16
What do Nobel Prize winners and successful bootstrappers have in common? In this solo episode, Rob Walling shares the story of how a TinySeed company went from near-zero revenue to $10,000-$20,000 a month almost overnight, breaks down Claude Shannon's research on the habits that separated Nobel laureates from forgotten scientists, and explores why deep expertise looks like magic from the outside....
Episode 832 | Going Full-time, When to Pivot, Building With Young Kids, and More Listener Questions (Rob Solo) 12.05.2026 34:17
How do you leave a $400K salary to go all in on your business? In this solo episode, Rob Walling cranks through a backlog of listener questions on reducing risk with your startup to go full-time, when to register as a business, how to price a SaaS with seat ambiguity, when to pivot, and how to keep building when you have four kids under eight. Want to get your question answered? Drop it here. Epi...
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