Refine Labs

Stacking Growth | The B2B Marketing Podcast

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Hosted by Refine Labs, this podcasts is for marketers, by marketers. Whether you're new or seasoned , we want to help you refine your strategies, find meaningful takeaways, and hear real, honest stories of marketers who've been able to make waves for the industry. Combining purposeful tactics and strategies across multiple areas is what it means to Stack Growth - let's help build each other up.

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Refine Labs

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Jun 25, 2026

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Episodes

S3 E18 - Unpacking Organic Growth Strategy | Will Aitken @ Lavender 13.07.2023

Cassidy is back joining Carl and Lavender’s Will Aitken to unpack how to build an organic growth strategy from scratch. Will discusses the importance of understanding the target audience and creating diverse content across platform, topic, style, and audience goals. He also emphasizes the value of research and learning from successful influencers in the industry and stresses the need for subject m...

S3 E17 - The Past, Present, and Future of Video Marketing | Tyler Lessard VP Marketing and Chief Video Strategist @ Vidyard 06.07.2023

Kaylee and Carl were joined by Tyler Lessard , VP Marketing and Chief Video Strategist @ Vidyard to chat all things video marketing. With almost a decade of experience at Vidyard, Tyler has witnessed the incredible evolution of video in the tech and SaaS industries. He shares his insights on staying motivated and navigating the ever-changing landscape. All three hosts emphasize the immense value o...

S3 E16 - Quarterly Business Review Best Practices| Cassidy Shield, Carl Ferreira & Ashley Lewin 29.06.2023

You’re likely to find yourself presenting a QBR soon. What are you going to share? And more importantly, how are you crafting your story? That’s what Cassidy and Ashley have covered for you on today’s episode of Stacking Growth Live! They cover:  Crafting a narrative Structuring a deck  Nailing an Executive Summary Avoiding common missteps in the details of data They walk through examples of not-s...

S3 E15 - Paid vs Organic Media Strategy | Carl Ferreira & Kaylee Edmondson 22.06.2023

“Marketers like to differentiate, people like to compare” While Cassidy is away, Carl takes the wheel, joined by Kaylee Edmondson - VP of Revenue R&D at Refine Labs! They go head to head about paid versus organic media - they cover myths, uncover truths, and dig into the ways to leverage each strategy to build the best brand presence. Then they switch gears to customer research, providing 6 in...

S3 E14 - Rethink How You Think | Jen Allen-Knuth - Community Growth @ Lavender 08.06.2023

“Showing someone that you’re better does not mean that you win.” Cassidy and Carl were joined by Jen Allen-Knuth , Community Growth @ Lavender, to chat about the need to shift mindset as a creator and community leader. She dives into the way Lavender uses LinkedIn as an informal listening mechanism to get into the heads of buyers on a larger scale and steps that revenue professionals can take to s...

S3 E13 - Stacking Growth Live: Creative Teardown Edition | Courtney Vermette - Associate Creative Director @ Refine Labs 01.06.2023

In our premiere video episode, Courtney Vermette , Associate Creative Director at Refine Labs, walks Cassidy and Carl through a teardown of toast’s website, email, and paid social strategies.  On the website, Courtney assesses the use of video, copy (including the effectiveness, necessity, and consistency of puns), and calls to action across several different pages. Then, she moves to email in ord...

S3E12 - Why Change? | Carl Ferreira & Cassidy Shield 25.05.2023

In this episode of Stacking Growth, Carl and Cassidy reflect on how business has been changing, and how to stay on top of the rapidly shifting landscape.  They talk about the shift in buyer behavior that has brought about the need to shift marketing from “why us” to “why change?”, and how to align your team to be focused on the same (and most effective) strategies. They look at the differences bet...

S3E11 - Are PLG and ABM just new terms for Lead Gen? | Carl Ferreira - Director of Sales, Cassidy Shield - Chief Revenue Officer @ Refine Labs 18.05.2023

In this episode of Stacking Growth, Carl spills his hot takes to Cassidy on Product-Led Growth and Account Based Marketing. They expand on the idea that PLG, often billed as the future of enterprise software, is typically just a repackaged version of old school lead generation, diving into some common misconceptions surrounding Go-To-Market strategies of unicorn products that can make these argume...

S3 E10 - Transformational Leadership | Devin Reed - Head of Content @ Clari 11.05.2023

Today Cassidy and Carl are joined by Devin Reed , Head of Content at Clari to chat about transformational leadership in Content Strategy and beyond. Devin spills his secrets on how to make a splash in a new role at a successful organization by leveraging strategic priorities. He also digs into getting buy-in on an employee LinkedIn posting strategy and how to affect change internally. He walks Cas...

S3 E09 - Stacking Growth Live: Creative Teardown Edition | Dan Case - Creative Director @ Refine Labs 04.05.2023

Today’s episode was recorded live, featuring Dan Case , Creative Director at Refine Labs. Dan leads Cassidy and Carl through a Creative Teardown of Dashlane, looking at their design choices across branding, website, and paid social.  He assesses their prioritization of programs and the differentiation between them that can cause confusion and conflict in message. With questions from Carl, Cassidy,...

S3 E08 - Smashing Through the Audience Growth Ceiling | Dan Sanchez - Director of Inbound Marketing @ Element451 27.04.2023

Today Cassidy and Carl are joined by Dan Sanchez , Director of Inbound Marketing at Element451 to chat about audience growth, among other podcast and personal brand insight and advice! He starts by tracing his journey through shifting industry, why he moved into Higher Education, and how to align experience with passion when making a move. He then dives into the importance of vertical systems in S...

S3 E07 - How to Measure Demand for the Entire Funnel | Sidney Waterfall - Senior VP Growth @ Refine Labs 20.04.2023

This week’s episode features a keynote speech by Sidney Waterfall , Senior Vice President of Growth at Refine Labs. She presented at the Full Funnel Summit on How to Measure Demand for the Entire Funnel.  She explains why it’s time for measurement to change, gives an overview of key terms including Dark Social, Pipe Framework, and Hybrid Attribution before presenting actionable steps for setting u...

S3 E06 - Driving Change in a Highly Competitive Market | Kate Hammitt - CMO @ Splash 13.04.2023

Cassidy and Carl sat down with Kate Hammitt , CMO of Splash, to chat all things Event Marketing. She covers how the field has grown and evolved over the past couple of years, tracing the history of expectations from in-person trade shows and flagship events into virtual and hybrid events, and the impact they have on marketing strategy. She also discusses how companies like Splash are streamlining...

S3 E05 - Stacking Growth Live: Creative Teardown Edition | Triana Mills - VP Creative @ Refine Labs 06.04.2023

Today’s episode was recorded live, featuring Refine Labs’ VP of Creative: Triana Mills . Triana leads Cassidy and Carl through a Creative Teardown of Recurly, looking at their design choices in three programs: website, email, and paid social.  She assesses the use, effectiveness, and consistency of color, graphics, messaging, and more, sparking productive discussions on possible reasons behind eac...

S3 E04 - Influencer Marketing | Talin Koutnouyan - VP Strategy & Analytics @ Influential 30.03.2023

Cassidy and Carl got to sit down and chat with Talin Koutnouyan , VP of Strategy & Analytics at Influential, about the past, present, and future of Influencer Marketing.  She outlines some main differences between strategy in B2C versus B2B, and what each could stand to learn from the other. Finally, she outlines a plan for “Carl’s Friend” who wants to get into Influencer Marketing – what to e...

S3 E03 - Insights Driven Content Strategy | Peter Walker - Head of Insights @ Carta 23.03.2023

Cassidy and Carl got to sit down and chat with Peter Walker , head of Insights at Carta, about building insights and leveraging them to boost both marketing and sales functions. The cover collaboration with marketing, knowing what insights to look for and which hold the most resonance, surprises Peter has encountered along his journey, and a hint at what’s coming next for the insights strategy at...

S3 E02 - The Impact of Generative AI | Grant Duncan & Omar Hamoda - VP Marketing & Senior Brand Designer @ Zingtree 16.03.2023

Cassidy and Carl chat today with Grant Duncan (VP of Marketing) and Omar Hamoda (Senior Brand Designer) at Zingtree about the role of AI - in particular, generative AI - and its impact on marketing & sales. They address the decision to jump into AI, individual workflows, different tools and their benefits/drawbacks, implications and ethics, and more. For reference, here are some of the posts a...

S3 E01 - Brand Above All | Yvonne O'Brien - CMO @ Zappi 09.03.2023

We're kicking things off in Season 3 with a brand deep dive featuring our Chief Growth Officer, Cassidy Shield , and CMO of Zappi, Yvonne O'Brien . Key questions to ask yourself: Do your prospects have an emotional connection to your brand, and how do you build that connection in a space with huge competitors? A few more topics include brand activation, foundation, how to consistently test & l...

S3 E0 - State Of The Union | Stacking Growth Returns! 02.03.2023

Welcome back! Cassidy, Carl, and the rest of the Refine Labs crew have returned for Season 3 of Stacking Growth. This "State of the Union" episode features Cassidy Shield , Chief Growth Officer, and Carl Ferreira , Director of Sales, setting the table for whats to come this season. Brand, creative, differentiation in B2B, coaching, alignment are just a handful of the topics we'll chop up for this...

S2 E71 - Back to the Basics | Stacking Growth Live 17.01.2023

There’s no better way to start the year than by setting intentions and resolutions for the year ahead. Most people do this in their personal lives, but we find it pretty affirming for work as well. Today, we’re excited to chat through just a few of the actionable things you can do to refocus and reset priorities for the year ahead.

S2 E70 - Building Revenue Programs to Nail your 2023 Goals | Stacking Growth Live 22.12.2022

Companies today don’t have a process for executing research and development (R&D) within their revenue system. There’s a lack of structure and internal common ground between teams on defining and understanding what programs are working for new business acquisition. It results in chaos. Today we’re going to chat through 3 things you can start working on today, to make a meaningful impact on str...

S2 E69 - 5 Ways Sales Can Help Marketing 09.12.2022

Cassidy has gone on record stating that marketing-sales alignment is largely a marketing problem. However, let's not drop all the blame on marketing. In this episode, Cassidy and Carl go over 5 ways sales leaders can demonstrate leadership in aligning marketing with sales. 1 - Quality over quantity If the leads "suck" - it's as much on sales as marketing. Stop insisting on lead volume when the lea...

S2 E68 - POV Before Product: Designing a New Category | with Jenn Davis 03.12.2022

"How in the world are you getting rockin' and rollin' building a new category here?"  Carl Ferreira doesn't waste any time kicking off this conversation with Jenn Davis , Co-Founder and Head of Marketing at Gradient Works. Jenn has been instrumental in designing and building the Dynamic Books category, a new way to handle sales territories. In this episode, Jenn takes Carl and Cassidy through...

S2 E67 - 3 Steps To A Successful First 90 Days When Switching to Demand Gen 29.11.2022

"What would the first 90 days look like if you were tasked with implementing a demand gen and content strategy in an effort to move beyond the traditional lead gen approach?" So you want to move beyond traditional lead generation and start creating demand in 2023…But you don’t know how to kick off those efforts? The first 90 days are critical because if you’re not able to show some early signs of...

S2 E66 - 4 Major Pitfalls To Avoid When Doing a Revenue Performance Analysis 22.11.2022

It’s that time of year when 2023 planning is in full swing and part of planning for a successful start to the next year is doing a Revenue Performance Analysis. But first, what is an RPA? Simply put, a Revenue Performance Analysis allows you to identify and amplify key sources of HIRO pipeline and revenue. We’ve become experts at these analyses and have identified the top four mistakes teams make...

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