David Roche and Megan Roche
Some Work, All Play
Five to ten topics, sometimes about running, with lots of love and enthusiasm and science. We dig deep into training, races, studies, pop culture, and much more! With Megan Roche, M.D. and David Roche!
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David Roche and Megan Roche
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Jul 7, 2026
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Episodes
244. Why Pressure is Good, The Strange Science of Downhills, Plus Q+A on Ketones, Strides, Weekly Mileage, Anxiety, Going All-In, and More! 04.02.2025 1:37:39
We embraced the pressure for 2025 before recording this great episode! A concept we disagree with is that "pressure will break down the mind," referring to saying big, scary goals out loud. Our main idea: pressure is a joyful part of sports. We talk about our long journey to get to this point, and why you should want the ball with time running out, your team down by 2, everyone counting...
243. “No Secrets” Q+A on VO2 Max, Very Hard Workouts, Fueling Easy Days, Iron Levels, Confidence, Genetics, and More! 28.01.2025 1:37:03
This episode is one of our all-time favorites, diving into tons of the most important (and most frivolous) topics! As always, it’s in the “no secrets” style, where we lift the curtain and show you what people are thinking at the top end of endurance sports, but might not want to say publicly. Plus, there were so many laughs mixed with serious moments. This one is a JOURNEY. Topics this week: the “...
242. Why Low Carb Doesn’t Work, Plus Q+A on Active Heat Training, Bone Density, Fear Before Big Events, The Trial of Miles, and More! 21.01.2025 1:37:13
This episode was so fun, and it wasn’t just the cinnamon rolls we used for carb research. The main topic was a new study that took a cool design and extended the conclusions beyond their reach, theorizing that athletes should reconsider high-carb approaches for peak performance. We outline where we think the conclusions missed the mark. It makes us uncomfortable to disagree in this way, but we thi...
241. Trail Performance OF THE YEAR?! Plus Q+A on Training Volume, Heat Training, Recovery Days, Bicarb Dose, Fitness Apps, and More! 14.01.2025 1:32:56
We brought so much gratitude to this amazing episode! The main topic was the news announced this weekend: David's Leadville 100 performance won the International Trail Performance of the Year. Yes, tears were shed. To everyone who listens, THANK YOU. In ways that go deeper than words...thank you. We reflect on the training, the journey, how our lives have changed, and what's ahead. Shooters shoot....
240. Why High Carb is for Almost Everyone, Improving Zone 2, Wild Study on Easy Training, Honest Western States 100 Thoughts, and a Wahoo Run Treadmill Review! 07.01.2025 1:35:36
The best moment of our lives happened last week. It's not the baby. It's a social media mention from the GOAT Kilian Jornet. And we brought that celebration energy to this awesome episode! The main study was on the types of training that leads to faster marathon times, looking at 150,000 datapoints. With findings that overlap with other studies, we can start to outline the most direct way to make...
239. Q+A on Hydration, Ultra Pacing, Protein Intake, Daily Nutrition, Progressive Overload, 2025 Predictions, and More! 31.12.2024 1:19:40
We got some very surprising news before recording this celebration episode! This one has it all: complicated training questions, predictions for the future, and a stunning twist to start the episode (and we were in for a lot more stunning twists after we recorded). The questions from podcast listeners were on tons of amazing topics: heart rate drift tests to estimate zone 2, how to pace ultras, w...
238. Q+A on Speed Workouts, Zone 2, Running Cadence, GI Training, Western States 100 Goals, and More! 24.12.2024 1:29:37
We celebrated a wild year with a "No Secrets" Q+A episode! This one is full of fascinating topics, mixing science, theory, and hot takes into the perfect holiday stew. The questions all came from podcast listeners on the following topics: how to think about gut training, Zone 2 heart rate and how terrible some online calculators are for athletes of all levels, our favorite speed workouts to gauge...
237. The Wild Connection of Top Speed and Endurance, Plus "No Secrets" on Supplements, Mental Toughness, AI in Sport, and Cold Plunges! 17.12.2024 1:39:11
We bowed down to the power of hot mugwort before this amazing episode! The main topic was on a study that may be the long-lost "missing link" in our training theory. It took 12 elite endurance runners and had them do sprints of 100 meters and 400 meters, along with a VO2 max test. Their findings (and one striking non-finding) may connect studies on speed interventions with real-world implications....
236. "No Secrets" Q+A! Hill Strides, Cramps, Speed v. Volume, Year-Round Heat, and Lots More! 10.12.2024 1:37:59
We collected some wonderful questions before this great episode! It's our classic "no secrets" style, where we take you behind the scenes to combine research and theory with what athletes are actually doing, but maybe not talking about. We started with a new study on maintaining heat acclimation, which helps answer questions on how to improve blood volume year-round in a sustainable way. Then it w...
235. Rich Roll Takeaways, Protein and Adaptation, How Heart Rate Zones Vary, and Ketones in Cycling! 03.12.2024 1:29:56
We got our Rich Roll on before this amazing episode! David's appearance on the Rich Roll Podcast came out this week, and we started with some takeaways from a surreal experience. We then pivot into some talk on protein in adaptation and recovery. When in doubt, the answer for us is often to throw some protein on it. Next was a truly wild study that looked at low energy availability and managed to...
234. Ultra Records Getting Demolished, What it Means for The Future of Performance, Energy Availability Study at the Boston Marathon, and Shooting Big Shots! 26.11.2024 1:07:58
We brought some joyful and fluid-tastic vibes to this great episode! The main topic involved us picking our jaws off the floor as records were absolutely annihilated at the JFK 50 Mile, America's oldest ultramarathon. We have some inside info on how David Sinclair set the record, which we think could be Ultra Performance of the Year. Plus we worship the queen, Rachel Drake. Why are we seeing recor...
233. Game-Changing Theories on Fatigue Resistance, Supertrainer Shoe Reviews, Plans for Athletic Breakthroughs, How Carbs are Reshaping Endurance, and NSAIDs in Ultras! 19.11.2024 1:33:34
You can smell the excitement on this amazing episode! The main training topic was on David's favorite study of 2024, which caused major changes in his training approach. The study found some potential mechanisms for improved fatigue resistance, but we take it a step further into theories about solving for a puzzle that has flummoxed coaches and researchers forever. Could this study be the missing...
232. 10 Ways We Changed Training for Leadville and Javelina, Love Raging, Ultra Performance Study, Feel v. Heart Rate, and Motivation! 12.11.2024 1:22:03
We celebrated huge beating genius machines before this awesome episode! The main training topic was on 10 ways our training approaches changed for Leadville and Javelina. Throughout the process of preparing for 100 miles, we made itty bitty alterations that sometimes became big shifts in how our plans usually look. We break down each of them and how they might apply to other athletes. Time to pop...
231. New "No Secrets" Q+A on Western States 100, Javelina, High-Carb Fueling, Heart Rate, Heat Training, Improving Speed, Shoes, and More! 05.11.2024 2:02:03
We answered tons of amazing listener questions on this great episode! We approached Leadville and Javelina like science experiments, and like all good science experiments, we want to share everything before starting a new experiment for the Western States 100. This one is full of sexy science, theory, psychology, nutrition, and so much more! Our philosophy is "no secrets"... sometimes to a fault....
230. Javelina 100 Mile Win and Golden Ticket! Science, Dreams, and Belief at One of the Hottest Races Ever 29.10.2024 2:05:33
We ventured into the unknown at the Javelina 100 Mile, and we're coming back with a celebration to share! This episode is all about processing a life-changing weekend where David won Javelina in 12 hours, 45 minutes to earn a Golden Ticket to the Western States 100. There was one defining feature of the day: HEAT. Race day featured record temperatures around 100 degrees F in Phoenix, with the cour...
229. Javelina 100 Pre-Race, Norwegian Heat Training, Parker Valby's Game-Changing Contract, New Mitochondria Study, and Improving Bone Density! 22.10.2024 1:29:16
We reached deep into the BELIEVE BAG before this great episode! It started out with all of our thoughts ahead of the Javelina 100 Miler this weekend. This journey into the unknown has it all: fears, dread, and doubt right alongside excitement, celebration, and DMX. We hope this exploration gives you a tailwind that pushes you to chase scary dreams. We also did a deep dive into a massive new meta-r...
228. Heat Suit Training and Limits of Physiology, Heart Rate Guidelines, Why Stomach Training Matters, A Mind-Blowing Marathon World Record, and Wikipedia Rejection! 15.10.2024 1:40:38
We put on all of our pants and jackets to record this HOT episode! The main training topic is on the wild science of heat suit training. In 2021, a case study revealed that simply wearing a couple layers while doing easy biking could rapidly expand hemoglobin mass, which could improve performance in all conditions. Numerous other studies support the findings, and now heat suits are a staple of pro...
227. Javelina 100 Training, Science Debate on REDs, Long Zone 2 Efforts, Tadej Pogacar's World-Domination Strategy, and Strava AI! 08.10.2024 1:28:33
We made loud grunting noises to celebrate recording this great episode! A primary training discussion was on putting the finishing touches on the quick build for the Javelina 100 Miler. It's getting very, very real. Confidence is rising, and falling, and falling some more, then rising again. We bring you into the process to feel just how hard it all can be at times for athletes of all levels. Prep...
226. "No Secrets" Q+A! The Wikipedia Controversy, Strides, Singles v. Doubles, Breakthroughs After Layoffs, Ketones, Polarized Training, and Lots More! 01.10.2024 1:45:16
We loaded up on some "awake" tea to feel extra caffeinated for this spicy episode! Listeners send in such great questions, and it was so fun to get down and dirty with some fascinating topics. It's called a "no secrets" Q+A because we often see conversations with elite athletes and coaches where it's clear that we aren't getting the full picture. Our goal is to be an open book (for better and for...
225. Kilian's Wild Physiology Data, Tara Dower Sets the Overall AT Record, The Next Race After Leadville, 7 Ultra Logistics Tips, and How Elite Athletes Eat! 24.09.2024 1:36:12
We marveled at the athletic performance of the year to prepare for this great episode! It kicked off with us picking our jaws up off the floor, in awe of Tara Dower's overall record on the Appalachian Trail. Coach Megan delves into what made it possible (strides and speed) and what sets Tara apart (being a superhero). This achievement will take decades to fully process! The main science talk w...
224. Post-Run Carbs Science, Vincent's Training to Win UTMB, Supershoes Power Ranking, Biking for Runners, and The Fastest US Race Ever! 17.09.2024 1:36:19
We slurped down a truly inspiring amount of carbohydrates before recording this great episode! The main topic was a new study with a fascinating design, equalizing carb intake across a day, but modulating the quantity consumed in the post-exercise window. There were major changes in next-day performance! Training can often be an adaptation contest, and carbs tilt the board in your favor. We also t...
223. Leadville Strength Work, The Next Frontier of Sodium Bicarbonate, Adaptation Fueling, Kilian's Epic Adventure, and New Contraceptives Study! 10.09.2024 1:33:51
We filled the pauses in conversation with all of our deepest confessions before recording this great episode! A main topic was how we thought about strength work and heat training in the Leadville 100 build. While David's mileage wasn't wildly high, he made some big changes in the last year that harness the power of heat to spur hematological changes, and strength to spur booty changes. We...
222. History at UTMB, Leadville 100 CR Spicy Questions, The World's Greatest Sports Headline, Post-Run Uphill Treadmill, and What We Did To Our Scale! 03.09.2024 1:37:07
We put lubrication in all the right places before this amazing episode! The main topic was a rundown of our big takeaways from the UTMB races, the most important week of the trail running year. Times get faster and faster... but carnage comes with it. We talk about how the fueling revolution may be impacting races, both in terms of speed and GI issues. Plus we break down the biggest storylines fro...
221. Leadville 100 Course Record Q+A! The "No Secrets" Episode. Telling All on Training, Fueling, Pacing, Mindset, and More! 27.08.2024 1:54:10
We had so much fun with this no-secrets episode on the Leadville 100 Mile course record! We answered a couple dozen listener questions on everything from training theory to race execution to supplements. We even detailed some harrowing stories about post-race recovery that will leave you breathless (from laughing). Throughout the history of the podcast, we have tried to be open books about everyth...
220. Leadville 100 Mile Record! What Just Happened?! Stories, Lessons, and Gratitude from a Dream Day 20.08.2024 2:01:28
We pinched each other to make sure it wasn’t all a dream before recording this celebration episode! This one was all about processing David’s course record run at the Leadville 100 Miler. For 19 years, Matt Carpenter’s Leadville record of 15:42 has been talked about as one of the most untouchable marks in running. But a lot has happened since 2005, with advances in training, fueling, shoes, and al...
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