David Roche and Megan Roche
Some Work, All Play
Five to ten topics, sometimes about running, with lots of love and enthusiasm and science. We dig deep into training, races, studies, pop culture, and much more! With Megan Roche, M.D. and David Roche!
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David Roche and Megan Roche
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Jul 7, 2026
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Episodes
269. “No Secrets” Q+A on Creatine, What Elite Athletes Do, A Controversial Electrolytes Article, How To Cross Train, and More! 29.07.2025 1:26:49
We gathered up some spicy questions for this amazing episode! It's in the "no secrets" style, where we leave nothing behind the curtain. Prepare for some fun! Topics this week: post-race fitness bumps, the central governor, creatine supplementation, adapting the 12-week pro marathon plan, what fueling options to buy with $100, the intensity distribution principle that unites real-wor...
268. The New World of Microintervals, Doping by World Record Holder, "Breakable" Documentary, Ouray 100 Pacing, and a Question on the Afterlife! 22.07.2025 1:43:52
We went face-first into a quart of ice cream before this amazing episode! The main science topic was a new study on microintervals, finding that 4-10 second high-power bursts led to no more metabolic stress than very easy training, but with way more muscular work. That could lay the groundwork for revolutionary studies and theories in the future! We also addressed the doping controversy that rocke...
267. High Carb in the Tour de France, Our First (and Last?) Bike Race, Speed Endurance Workouts, Blood Panels for Athletes, and Protein/Carbs Study! 15.07.2025 1:36:25
We sat down gingerly on bruised glutes before this awesome episode! The main topic was on fueling data coming out of the Tour de France. High carb is ubiquitous in the cycling peloton. We use some of that information as a jumping-off-point to think about fueling for all athletes! This one also came with stories from our first (and possibly last) gravel bike race. These aren’t your normal racing st...
266. Wild Results in Speed Endurance Studies, How to Use Bloodwork, On's Trail Supershoe, Tour de France Thoughts, and Strength Work! 08.07.2025 1:37:18
We buzzed over our favorite study tables of all time before this great episode! The main science topic was a review of "speed endurance" studies showing rapid progress across all populations and protocols. That replicability is almost unheard of in sports science, and it's something that every athlete should harness in their training. Spoiler alert: do your strides! And this one was...
265. Western States 100 Failure, Being Human in Public, and Growing the Hard Way 01.07.2025 1:36:28
Western States 100 ended in a DNF at mile 62. It’s partially the normal story of a race that didn’t go to plan due to simple errors with hydration leading to a cascade of physical issues. But it’s also a lot more complex than that, like life is always more complex than the simple narratives. This episode tries to share the complex story while it’s still raw. We talk about anxiety, fear, shame, and...
264. Western States 100 Goals, Fears, and Dreams! Plus a Sports Science Study of the Decade! 24.06.2025 1:16:18
We're here! It's race week for the Western States 100. This episode talks through how we're feeling before the moonshot. Hopefully there are helpful similarities to all of the big, scary things in your lives! We also break down a new study that feels like the Manhattan Project of sports science, testing "replicability" in the field. You know it's serious when there are 99...
263. "No Secrets" Q+A on Western States 100 Strategy, Climbing Faster, Passive Heat v. More Training, Weight Vest Use, Life Meaning, and More! 17.06.2025 1:48:38
Our favorite episodes involve answering listener questions in a "no secrets" style. That means we might be right, we might be wrong, but we'll always be honest (and hairy!). We started with a game theory analysis on how we think this year's Western States 100 will play out. This is the type of conversation that athletes have before every race, but they usually wouldn't play i...
262. Western States Pressure, Passive Heat and Hemoglobin, Using Downhills to Build Strength, New OTQ Standards, and Fueling To Take A Hit! 10.06.2025 1:41:40
This episode was such a fun mix of science, emotions, and hot tubs that could cook a turkey! We started with some thoughts on Western States, less than 3 weeks out from the race. Does embracing the stage also mean embracing social media posts telling you that you aren’t being picked to perform well? Our argument channeling Tyrese Halliburton of the Indiana Pacers: the “noise” can be performance en...
261. Kilian's Western States Training Video, Jim Walmsley Isn't Racing (!), Weird Broccoli Sprouts Science, and A New Bicarb Gel! 03.06.2025 1:41:19
We gulped down some pungent juice before recording this amazing episode! The main topics were the two big pieces of news: Jim Walsmley won't be racing Western States, and Kilian Jornet is making training videos now. Jim is the GOAT and we gave him an 85% chance of winning just last week. He's the supermassive black hole at the center of the Western States galaxy. Without Jim at the start l...
260. Why High Carb Fueling May Improve Body Composition, Controversial News, Weight Vest Warm-Ups, and Workout Intensity! 27.05.2025 1:47:03
This episode was a total joy with toe warmers in all the right places (and some of the wrong ones)! The main scientific topic was a new study on how high carb fueling may improve heat adaptation. We broaden that out to a question from a listener on the old "calories-in, calories-out" framework, and why that doesn't apply to athletes from evolutionary or exercise science perspectives....
259. High Carb on a Budget, Western States Uncertainty, How Ketones Might Enhance Recovery, Uphill Treadmill Guidelines, and "Depletion" Runs! 20.05.2025 1:46:51
We had a ridiculous amount of fun recording this episode! The main science topic was on a new pre-print study on post-exercise ketones, showing higher carb storage and lower glycemia in athletes taking them. Is it possible that high carb has a special interaction with post-exercise ketones that might be at the heart of recent performances? It's uncertain. We just take them because we like the...
258. Quad Rock 50 Mile Record and the Western States Moonshot! High Carb (150 g/hr), Big Hydration (1 L/hr), and Heat Breakthrough 13.05.2025 1:43:34
Endurance sports are in the midst of a revolution that will change everything about what we think humans can do. This week at the Quad Rock 50 Mile, we felt it firsthand. David set a 14-minute course record at this classic, steep Colorado race. We break it all down, "no secrets" style. Topics: high-carb fueling, big hydration totals, why heat training might be the next frontier, pre-race...
257. "No Secrets" Q+A on Extreme Carb Totals (200 g/hr!), Minimum Dose Heat Training, Sodium Intake, Speed for Ultras, and Hydration Sensors! 06.05.2025 1:44:53
Our favorite episodes are these Q+As where we answer listener questions on all of the hottest topics! It's called a "No Secrets" Q+A because we try to take you behind the curtain, speculating about ideas that might not be talked about in public very often. Let's get spicy! The main topic was Cam Wurf's reported 200 grams of carbs per hour at Ironman Texas to set a bike split record. These extreme...
256. High Carb Domination, Steep Races and Vert, Heat Suit Guidelines, Increasing Stride Power, and Kilian’s Western States Prep! 29.04.2025 1:33:47
We put on our space cowboy outfits for this great episode! The main topic centered on the almost-ubiquitous use of higher carb intakes in recent races, from the Canyons 100k to the Boston Marathon to the cycling classics. What once seemed optional is now mandatory. Where do the next breakthroughs come from? We outline some ideas to try to catch the waves before they become obvious. There was also...
255. The Shocking Shoe Study That Changes Everything, Boston Marathon Reactions, Creatine for Endurance, and Resting Heart Rate! 22.04.2025 1:43:46
Our minds were blown by the Boston Marathon right before recording this great episode! The main topic was a new study on the Puma R3 super-shoe, conducted by a top researcher. It showed a shocking 3% improvement in running economy relative to the previous generation of super-shoes, with a universally positive response among study participants. We discuss the evolution of the tech, how it was made...
254. How Heat Training is Changing the Game, Protein Needs for Endurance, VO2 Max Numbers, Workout Success v. "Failure," and What Comes After Disaster! 15.04.2025 1:40:10
We put sensors in all the right places before this HOT episode! The main discussion was on the emerging science of heat training, centered around a 2025 study that showed 3 x weekly sessions could sustain hematological adaptations from an altitude camp. Heat training is no longer just about being ready for hot weather. It's about helping our blood be full of oxygen, powering performance in all...
253. New Science on Protein Needs, Unbreakable 2, VO2 Max Estimates, Carb Loads, Torpedo Bats, and Cross Training Intensity! 08.04.2025 1:38:45
We put on our finest white spandex for this amazing episode! The main topic was a new review study on protein needs for endurance athletes. The authors used a cool method of isotope labeling to argue that endurance athletes need more protein than traditional recommendations. The nutrition revolution is not just about carbs! And this one was full of great topics! Other topics: the announcement of a...
252. How Running May Impact The Brain, Plus Q+A on Body Image, Heat Suits, Sweat Testing, and Nose Breathing! 01.04.2025 1:28:32
We pondered the genetics of smelling ants before this great episode! The main topic was a new study that found the brain may use myelin lipids for fuel during low glucose conditions like marathons. This could have massive implications for how we think about fueling and fatigue resistance, including for cognitive function. Our big theory: fueling is just as much about nourishing and protecting the...
251. Big Alta 50k and The Story Athletes Rarely Tell, Plus Q+A on Kilian to Western States, Bike v. Treadmill, and Sauna v. Hot Tub! 25.03.2025 1:43:11
We took off our armor for this incredible episode! The main discussion might have been one of our most important (and fun) ever: the Big Alta 50k DNF, failure, and what it truly means to go for it. David raced Big Alta because it was somewhere that he couldn't hide. We needed to gather data about what happened at the very edge of human capabilities. And when you F around...sometimes you find out....
250. The Mystery of Fatigue Resistance, Race Week Feelings, Episode 250 Reflections, Outside Mag Revolt, and Fun Sponsorship News! 18.03.2025 1:24:44
We celebrated the 250th recording for this great episode! The main topic was a new study on fatigue resistance. How do you actually improve performance after multiple hours of work? It’s the greatest mystery of endurance, and whoever solves it will have a big advantage. We think that we have some answers for training, fueling, and the nervous system. And this episode was jam-packed with tons of am...
249. Heavy Lifting and Fatigue Resistance, Carbs After Exercise, Cramp Prevention, Cadence, and Health in Training! 11.03.2025 1:42:50
We lifted some styrofoam plates painted like metal before this great episode! The main topic was a new study showing improved fatigue resistance for athletes doing heavy lifting twice per week. Yes... we regret to inform you that we think you should probably have a squat rack nearby. Prepare your butts. We also answered a question on carb intake after exercise, framed around a pro triathlete recen...
248. Zone 2 and Why It Matters, Heat Training Questions, Pre-Workout Carbs, and Trail Supershoe Follow-Up! 04.03.2025 1:34:46
We brought some very sore legs into this great episode! The main topic was a new study on "Zone 2 Training," which gathered a panel of experts to review what Zone 2 means and why it matters. Our theory is that Zone 2 training is interacting with high-carb fueling to drive some of the performance revolution! We also talked about a new study on heat training. It shows that heat-induced adaptations a...
247. High-Carb and Health, Trail Supershoe Study, Racing Frequency, Pros and Cons of Stretching, and Building Toughness! 25.02.2025 1:40:18
We put on some supershoes for an extra boost for this great episode! A main topic was a question we get a lot: whether high-carb fueling during training is healthy in a broader sense. We not only think it's healthy, we think that the question is best asked another way: how much healthier is fueling your training than the alternative of underfueling? It's true that you probably don't wa...
246. “No Secrets” Q+A on World Records, Kilian’s Fasted Workout, Health v. Performance, Wild Probiotics Studies, Applying Heart Rate Zones, Zone 2, and More! 18.02.2025 1:35:16
We bought stock in baking soda before this record-breaking episode! It was a "No Secrets" Q+A, where we lay it all on the line. This one was so fun! The first big question was on the deluge of world records set in the last week. Our theory is that compound gains are being harnessed from nutrition, supplements, and shoes that are changing how athletes can train and adapt across all endura...
245. Why No Record is Safe, Strength Training Science, Plus Q+A on Electrolytes, Realism v. Optimism, Mental Toughness, and More! 11.02.2025 1:39:45
Our minds were blown this weekend as more records were annihilated on the trails (at the Black Canyon 100k) and the track (at the Millrose Games)! We talk about The Performance Revolution: what's causing it, what we all can learn, and what comes next. The future is here. And the future is wildly fast! Next up was a new study on strength training for cyclists! We talked about our evolving feeli...
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