David Roche and Megan Roche
Some Work, All Play
Five to ten topics, sometimes about running, with lots of love and enthusiasm and science. We dig deep into training, races, studies, pop culture, and much more! With Megan Roche, M.D. and David Roche!
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David Roche and Megan Roche
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Jul 7, 2026
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Episodes
96. Gorge 50k/100k Recap, Shining Your Light, and Trans Athlete Inclusion 05.04.2022 1:28:39
We rocked some very teal, very tight spandex to talk about stories from the Gorge 100k and 50k (highlighted by some amazingly fun breakthroughs!), great health news for Megan's heart, athletics as an opportunity to shine your light with FULL LUMINOSITY, Jerrod Carmichael's wonderful new comedy special, being yourself, the courage of Lia Thomas, why inclusion must be the default, and why trans athl...
95. Rest Days Rock, Heat Training Tutorial, and Sexy Algorithms 29.03.2022 1:19:13
We turned some knobs in all the right directions before talking about some cool new data on how rest days can improve health and performance, how that relates to burnout and long-term growth, the wild and repeatable science of the placebo effect (featuring a fun study on injecting athletes with fake EPO!), publication bias and how that influences scientific understanding, poetry, and talking dirty...
94. Positive Reinforcement, Caffeine Genetics, and Sexy Science Spectacular 22.03.2022 1:27:28
We channeled some SEXY WILDEBEEST vibes before talking about studies from rugby on how positive reinforcement before and after matches improves hormone levels and performance, a new review study on the perils of low-carbohydrate approaches to nutrition, opening up about our secrets, balancing positive mentorship and actionable feedback, bike racing, and a warm-up tip that leads to breakthroughs (i...
93. Speed Training Science, DNFs in Races and Life, and Mental Health Celebration 15.03.2022 1:25:00
We got white hot and passionate before talking about some wildly cool studies on speed training science, how simple training changes can improve performance for most athletes, our questionable move to a caffeine-free lifestyle (nooooooo!), the power of DNFs in racing and in life, movie reviews and recommendations, and the importance of celebrating everything about mental health (via Taylor Tomlins...
92. Barkley Marathons, Social Media, Alcohol, and Owning Your Talent 08.03.2022 1:23:35
We did a public-service announcement on the importance of lubrication (and blew the conch) before talking about the Barkley Marathons and the fascinating definition of talent, elementary school stories and how they play a role throughout life, self-acceptance in the social media age, the uncertain impact of alcohol on protein synthesis, broken treadmills, and lots more of the sexiest science. Than...
91. Building Aerobic Monsters, Shining Your Light, and Fun (sometimes!) Adulting Fails 01.03.2022 1:23:45
We drank some blended lawn clippings FOR HEALTH before talking about why all miles count and there is no such thing as "junk" for the aerobic system, how base building unfolds over longer time horizons, shining your light in a world that can feel so dark at times, how impossible it is to be an adult (what the heck is radon?!), 3 business observations, and Ukraine love. Thank you so much for being...
90. Threshold Training, Starting Coaching, and Love & Fear 22.02.2022 1:24:54
We embraced love and fear before talking about how threshold training looks different for athletes who run on hills, thinking about adapting Norwegian training or other approaches, the principles and logistics of starting coaching (or starting anything!), how injuries change thinking on exercise physiology, biases in how we think about models, Ali Wong, and LOVE. Thank you so much for being a part...
89. BIG Aerobic Development, Gold Medalist Training, and Black Canyon 100k Recap 15.02.2022 1:29:39
We PUT ON A SHOW (for ourselves) before talking about the WILDLY COOL training principles behind Nils van Der Poel's gold medals in speed-skating, Clare Gallagher's training (and life force) leading up to the Black Canyon 100k, finding and embracing your voice, a follow-up on Norwegian training principles (particularly for female athletes), performance outliers, the figure skating doping controver...
88. Training Intensity, Lactate, Double Workouts, and Black Canyon 100k 08.02.2022 1:29:35
We brought some of the BIGGEST COOKIE ENERGY before talking about the role of lactate and how that determines adaptations from training intensity, the Norway model of running training, the cool theory of double threshold workouts, the winter Olympics, some thoughts about the Black Canyon 100k, and life history theory applied to low energy availability and adaptation. Plus lots of fun digressions,...
87. The Fascinating Connection Between Physiology, Self-Talk, and Performance (plus side stitch science!) 01.02.2022 1:26:42
We got EXTRA STRENGTH creative juices flowing before talking about a study on how self-talk can influence performance, the connection that emotional state can have to long-term adaptation, recognizing and improving self-talk and why that matters long-term, the best strength exercise (step-ups!) and how to take them to the next level, and how to prevent and treat side stitches. Plus lots of the usu...
86. Facing Fears, Loving the Pressure, and Preparation SWAG 25.01.2022 1:25:17
We ate performance supplements (cereal and cheese!) before talking about facing fear in an athletic life, ways to reframe pressure, our recent culinary breakthroughs, the importance of preserving your unique voice, death, lessons from the amazing show Cheer, and bringing that "too old, too tired, and too talented" energy for 2022. Full SWAG MODE, ACTIVATE! Thank you all for everything! WOOHOO! WHO...
85. The Beautiful Cruelty of Sports and Epigenetic Muscle Memory 18.01.2022 1:24:45
We got ON A BIKE (slowly) before talking about the wildly fun epigenetic principles behind long-term adaptation, secrets and shame, email interventions, the beautiful cruelty of sports like running, and the importance of putting yourself out there and getting vulnerable. SHOOTERS SHOOT! Thank you all for everything! WOOHOO! WHOOP promo code for 15% off all memberships: SWAP join.whoop.com/swap
84. Multi-Year Progress and Protein (Plus Cookie!) Science 11.01.2022 1:21:39
We took off our grump-suits and put on some sexy swag-suits to talk about the fun science of multi-year changes from a genetic baseline, the coolest twin-study of all time, different protein sources and why they can be adaptation insurance, a poop-doping follow-up, muscle fiber typology and why it matters, and how cookie availability changes evaluation metrics. Thank you all for everything! HUZZAH...
83. Endurance Performance and the Wild Science of Fatigue Resistance 07.01.2022 1:16:40
SEXY SCIENCE CORNER! What differentiates athletes late in endurance events like marathons and ultras? Why can some athletes train the same, pace the same, fuel the same--yet have different results? The answer may be found in the emerging study of "fatigue resistance." Fatigue resistance does not have a set definition, but is generally classified as the extent of performance deterioration late in e...
82. Winter Training Fundamentals, Microbiome Science, and Motivation 04.01.2022 1:21:35
We PLUCKED our way into 2022 before talking about 6 winter training fundamentals (that apply anytime outside of specific training), the difficulty of motivation (including for us), the tragic Boulder fires, hope in an uncertain world, evolutionary principles of alcohol consumption and dependence, and the wildly exciting science of the microbiome. There will be a new sexy science corner episode thi...
81. Interval Training, Sexy Statistics, and Woohoo Reflections 28.12.2021 1:17:52
We yelled "HUZZAH!" at the top of all the hills before talking about the nuances of interval recovery approaches, our differing approaches to BUSINESS, offseason yoga, what athletes need to know about the omicron variant, the difficulties of observational studies, and a new study on the menstrual cycle and performance. What a year! We appreciate you all so much, thank you for being on this journey...
80. 2022 Training Guidelines and Holiday Celebration Episode 21.12.2021 1:21:43
We got bib numbers to the 2021 Tour De No Pants before talking about the physiological importance of practicing playfulness in training, an update on the journey with family planning (we are at the fun part!), why walking is trail running, and key principles for thinking about training heading into 2022 (particularly with the distribution of intensity). Science is sometimes sexy metaphorically, an...
79. Long Run Distance and Living Boldly 14.12.2021 1:20:59
We got our GRUMP SUITS on before talking about long run distances, heart-friendly fun activities (you too can be the naked person in the gym locker room), death anxiety and the power of living boldly, passion, and a hopeful health update. HEART SWAG ACTIVATE. We have gotten so much joy and strength from your messages and support! THANK YOU! WOOHOO! WHOOP promo code for 15% off all memberships: SWA...
78. Supplement Science and Health Journey Update 07.12.2021 1:22:18
We had some life-affirming hospital chicken tenders before talking about the new Olympic Trials standards, sports supplements guidelines and science, and Megan's health journey and diagnosis (WE GOT THIS! Eventually!). We love this community so much, thank you for everything. The biggest heart love going your way! WOOHOO! WHOOP promo code for 15% off all memberships: SWAP join.whoop.com/swap
77. The Science and Theory of Uphill and Downhill Running 03.12.2021 1:06:52
Sexy Science Corner! We dig deep on the studies and training theory of uphill and downhill running to draw some conclusions for how athletes can support long-term growth on all terrain. The big question: what is the best training approach to improve all-around running ability, including on steeps? We call it "the climbing paradox"--focus excessively on steep ups and downs at the expense of well-ro...
76. Training Cycle Design, Supershoes, and Gratitude 23.11.2021 1:13:08
We got ACTIVATED by matcha lattes before talking about the cool science of periodization of training cycles, the IOC's new framework for inclusion, the science of supershoes (and which ones are best), competition blinders, understanding pain/discomfort, and supporting confidence in kids and adults. We appreciate you all so much! THANK YOU! WOOHOO! WHOOP promo code for 15% off all memberships: SWAP
75. Big Training Blocks and Building Confidence 17.11.2021 1:23:29
We practiced our OOPS-AND-RALLY before talking about weekly training structure, stacking up itty bitty bricks in a really big wall, side pees, the great science of massage tools, fart buoyancy, the best shoes we have ever worn (and getting scammed trying to buy them), and building confidence by embracing vulnerability. We appreciate you all so much! THANK YOU! WOOHOO! WHOOP promo code for 15% off...
The Connections Between Overtraining and Underfueling 12.11.2021 57:06
SCIENCE CORNER! A 2021 study had a fascinating finding: in some cases, overtraining may actually be the result of underfueling. We zoom out discuss the incredibly cool scientific landscape on training, fueling, stress, and adaptation, which has big implications for how athletes pursue their long-term potential. THANK YOU! WOOHOO! Subscribe to Trail Runner Magazine for just $0.50 per week! trailrun...
74. The Dipsea Race and Running Sponsorships 09.11.2021 1:11:47
We embraced bodily fluid gratitude before talking about the nitty gritty of shoe sponsorships, why fueling is helpful even in short events, aging as an athlete (and how that process is relevant for everyone), The Dipsea Race, caring about competition, and our appreciation of Goober the Clown. We appreciate you all so much! THANK YOU! WOOHOO! WHOOP promo code for 15% off all memberships: SWAP join....
73. Heat Science for Year-Round Performance & Exercise Addiction 02.11.2021 1:13:56
We practiced recipes for the Some Work, All Pizza cookbook (dog treats for humans?) before talking about extending peak performance over an athletic career, rest days, the relevance of exercise addiction principles for all athletes, embracing imperfection, and how different types of heat training may improve year-round performance. We appreciate you all so much! THANK YOU! WOOHOO! WHOOP promo code...
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