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So to Speak: The Free Speech Podcast

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So to Speak: The Free Speech Podcast takes an uncensored look at the world of free expression through the law, philosophy, and stories that define your right to free speech. Hosted by FIRE's Nico Perrino. New episodes post every other week.

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Jul 1, 2026

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Ep. 80 Ten Worst Colleges for Free Speech: 2019 07.03.2019

On today's episode of So to Speak: The Free Speech Podcast , FIRE staffers discuss our 2019 list of the 10 Worst Colleges for Free Speech . Participants in this show are: Nico Perrino, host of So to Speak, director of communications Will Creeley, senior vice president of legal and public advocacy Adam Steinbaugh, director of FIRE's Individual Rights Defense Program Sarah McLaughlin, senior program...

Ep. 79 Former FEC Chairman Bradley Smith 21.02.2019

Former Federal Election Commission Chairman Bradley A. Smith is perhaps best known for opposing many campaign finance regulations on First Amendment grounds. On today's episode of So to Speak: The Free Speech Podcast , we talk with the former chairman about how political campaign activity is regulated in America and how this regulation implicates the First Amendment. We also explore some of today'...

Ep. 78 LGBT equality and the First Amendment 07.02.2019

On today's episode of So to Speak: The Free Speech Podcast , we speak with Rutgers Law School Professor Carlos Ball about his book, " The First Amendment and LGBT Equality: A Contentious History ." During this conversation, we explore the history of how LGBT activists utilized the First Amendment to secure their rights, why Professor Ball considers that history "contentious," and how debates surro...

Ep. 77 Campus speech roundup: Art censorship, porn filters, speech restrictions abroad, and litigation victories 24.01.2019

On today's episode of So to Speak: The Free Speech Podcast , we are joined by four members of FIRE's staff to discuss the latest campus free speech news, including two new FIRE initiatives to tackle art censorship and restrictions on free speech and academic freedom abroad. Participants in this show are: Nico Perrino, host of So to Speak, director of communications Will Creeley, senior vice presid...

Ep. 76 From black armbands to the U.S. Supreme Court 10.01.2019

Her journey started with wearing a black armband to school and proceeded to the landmark United States Supreme Court case Tinker v. Des Moines Independent School District (1969). But it by no means stopped there: Mary Beth Tinker, namesake of the "Tinker" decision, continues to be a free speech icon.   On today's episode of So to Speak: The Free Speech Podcast , we share with you an unabridged ver...

Ep. 75 Against 'Free Speech' with Anthony Leaker 27.12.2018

Against 'Free Speech' with Anthony Leaker What does it mean to be "against 'free speech?'" On today's episode of So to Speak: The Free Speech Podcast , we speak with Anthony Leaker . Earlier this year he wrote an essay for Cato Unbound called "Against 'Free Speech'," in which he professes skepticism of the prevailing free speech narrative in the West and argues that it is often used as a Trojan Ho...

Ep. 74 'The Half-Life of Facts' with Samuel Arbesman 13.12.2018

Has every fact we've ever known undergone revision or reversal? It's a provocative and consequential idea, and one that complexity scientist Samuel Arbesman argues has some truth to it — even if he wouldn't state it that strongly. On today's episode of So to Speak: The Free Speech Podcast , we talk with Arbesman about his 2012 book, The Half-Life of Facts: Why Everything We Know Has an Expiration...

Ep. 73 'Uncensored' with Zachary Wood 29.11.2018

Zachary Wood has become comfortable with uncomfortable conversations. He's engaged in them his entire life — with his mom who suffers from schizoaffective disorder, with his neighbors in Washington, D.C.'s impoverished Ward 8 community, and with his friends at the elite private high school he commuted four hours round trip to each day. So when Wood arrived at Williams College in 2014, he was prepa...

Ep. 72 'Bodied' with director Joseph Kahn 13.11.2018

"Words are weapons in the world's most lyrical sport." That's how competitive battle rap is described by the makers of " Bodied ," a new satirical film produced by Eminem about a college student who decides to write a thesis paper on battle rap and through a twist of fate finds himself becoming a prodigy in the sport. On today's episode of So to Speak: The Free Speech Podcast , we speak with"Bodie...

Ep. 71 Thinking about free speech in bets with Annie Duke 01.11.2018

On today's episode of So to Speak: The Free Speech Podcast , we discuss how decision-making, "information liquidity," and luck fit into our daily lives — and how a solid understanding of these concepts can point to an underappreciated benefit of free expression. Our guest is Annie Duke . She is a decision strategist, renowned poker player, and author of Thinking in Bets: Making Smarter Decisions W...

Ep. 70 Free speech in the digital age with Jameel Jaffer 18.10.2018

On today's episode of So to Speak: The Free Speech Podcast , we speak with Jameel Jaffer , executive director of the Knight First Amendment Institute at Columbia University. Jaffer and the Knight Institute seek to defend "the freedoms of speech and the press in the digital era through strategic litigation, research, and public education." Show notes: Podcast transcript Knight First Amendment Insti...

Ep. 69 Former Solicitor General Donald B. Verrilli Jr. 04.10.2018

On today's episode of So to Speak: The Free Speech Podcast , we partner with the First Amendment Salon to present a conversation between former Solicitor General of the United States Donald B. Verrilli Jr. and University of Washington School of Law scholar Ronald Collins . Verrilli was solicitor general of the United States from June 2011 to June 2016 and during that time he argued dozens of cases...

Ep. 68 'True threats' with David L. Hudson Jr. 20.09.2018

There are very few exceptions to the First Amendment, and a "true threat" is one of them. But defining a true threat isn't easy. Ever since the U.S. Supreme Court first examined true threats in the 1969 case Watts v. United States , it's been a messy doctrine. The court didn't provide a definition of a true threat until many years after Watts, and even then questions still remained. On today's epi...

Ep. 67 'The Coddling of the American Mind' 04.09.2018

Tribalism and group polarization are on the rise. So too are rates of anxiety, depression, and suicide. On campuses, professors and students are afraid to speak out. And on social media, outrage mobs rule the day. How did we get here? On today's episode of So to Speak , we are joined by FIRE President and CEO Greg Lukianoff to discuss his new co-authored book with New York University professor Jon...

Ep. 66 Outrage mobs in comedy 23.08.2018

Much has been written in recent months about online campaigns to get certain journalists , movie directors , and professors fired from their jobs because of things they said or wrote. Some campaigns have been successful. Some have not. On today's episode of So to Speak: The Free Speech Podcast , we talk about how these outrage mobs affect the world of comedy — in particular, one comedy club in Lon...

Ep. 65 Artificial intelligence & speech rights 09.08.2018

How should we think about speech rights in the age of artificial intelligence and advanced robotics? On today's episode of So to Speak , we are joined by First Amendment scholars Ronald Collins and David Skover. They are the authors of the new book, Robotica: Speech Rights & Artificial Intelligence . From the printing press to the internet, advances in communications technology often upset the est...

Ep. 64 How censorship crosses borders with Jacob Mchangama 25.07.2018

On this episode of So to Speak , we chat with lawyer and free speech activist Jacob Mchangama . He is the founder and CEO of the Danish think tank Justitia , a visiting fellow at FIRE, and host of Clear and Present Danger: A History of Free Speech . Mchangama is also the author of the lead essay for the Cato Institute's June Cato Unbound online debate on the topic of " how censorship crosses borde...

Ep. 63 Supreme Court review: Kennedy, Kavanaugh, and "weaponizing the First Amendment" 11.07.2018

Supreme Court review: Kennedy, Kavanaugh, and "weaponizing the First Amendment" On this episode of So to Speak , we discuss President Donald Trump's nomination of Brett Kavanaugh to the United States Supreme Court and what it might mean for the First Amendment. We also review Anthony Kennedy's legacy, the free speech cases from this past Supreme Court term, and Justice Elena Kagan's contention tha...

Ep. 62 Most memorable FIRE cases 27.06.2018

On today's episode of So to Speak , we take a trip down memory lane. We are joined by FIRE's Greg Lukianoff, Samantha Harris, and Will Creeley to discuss memorable cases from FIRE's 19-year history. You can watch a video of this conversation on FIRE's YouTube channel (youtube.com/thefireorg). www.sotospeakpodcast.com Follow us on Twitter: twitter.com/freespeechtalk Like us on Facebook: facebook.co...

Ep. 61 'HATE' with Nadine Strossen 13.06.2018

The United States is unique in its protection of what some might label "hate speech." Of course, certain expression is unprotected, like incitement to imminent lawless action and true threats. But expression that is deemed merely offensive or hateful is generally protected. On this episode of So to Speak , we welcome back to the show former ACLU president and New York Law Professor Nadine Strossen...

Ep. 60 'Speak Freely' with Professor Keith Whittington 30.05.2018

In February, Princeton University President Christopher Eisgruber announced that he will distribute copies of " Speak Freely: Why Universities Must Defend Free Speech " to all Princeton students and faculty as part of the university's annual "Pre-read" program. On this episode of So to Speak , our guest is Princeton University Professor Keith Whittington , who is the author of "Speak Freely." We d...

Ep. 59 Debating 'Is there a campus free speech crisis?' with Sullivan, Haidt, Nossel, Sachs, & Foster 16.05.2018

Is there a campus free speech crisis? In March, FIRE staff discussed the question . On today's episode of So to Speak: The Free Speech Podcast , we put the question to others and feature audio from a live debate that occurred on May 8 in New York City. New York magazine's Andrew Sullivan and New York University's Jonathan Haidt argue, yes, there is a campus free speech crisis. PEN America's Suzann...

Ep. 58 'Lust on Trial' with Amy Werbel 03.05.2018

Anthony Comstock is a name that has become synonymous with censorship in America. In 1873, he founded the New York Society for the Suppression of Vice, and his career led to the confiscation or incineration of more than 3 million pieces of allegedly "obscene, lewd, or lascivious" material. On this episode of So to Speak , we speak with Fashion Institute of Technology Professor Amy Werbel about her...

Ep. 57 Exploring threats to a free press with Laura Handman 19.04.2018

What are the greatest threats to a free press in America, and how have they changed in recent years? On this episode of So to Speak , we speak with Laura R. Handman , who is a partner at Davis Wright Tremaine and a co-chair of the firm's appellate practice. For 30 years, she has worked on free press issues ranging from defamation to reporter's privilege. Her media clients include National Public R...

Ep. 56 Have you been defamed? 05.04.2018

In January, President Donald Trump called America's libel laws "a sham and a disgrace." Are they? On this episode of So to Speak: The Free Speech Podcast , we sit down with Ballard Spahr Senior Counsel Lee Levine to discuss what America's libel "laws" really are — and are not. www.sotospeakpodcast.com Follow us on Twitter: twitter.com/freespeechtalk Like us on Facebook: facebook.com/sotospeakpodca...

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