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So to Speak: The Free Speech Podcast

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So to Speak: The Free Speech Podcast takes an uncensored look at the world of free expression through the law, philosophy, and stories that define your right to free speech. Hosted by FIRE's Nico Perrino. New episodes post every other week.

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Jul 1, 2026

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Ep. 202: The backpage.com saga 21.12.2023

We're joined today by Elizabeth Nolan Brown, Robert Corn-Revere, and Ronnie London to discuss the history and verdict of the Backpage trial.  Backpage.com was an online classified advertising service founded in 2004. As a chief competitor to Craigslist, Backpage allowed users to post ads to categories such as personals, automotive, rentals, jobs and — most notably — adult services. In 2018, the we...

Ep. 201: Crisis on Campus - X Space recording 12.12.2023

Nico and FIRE President & CEO Greg Lukianoff appeared on an X Space to discuss the fallout from the recent congressional hearing on anti-Semitism involving Harvard President Claudine Gay, MIT President Sally Kornbluth, and former Penn President Liz Magill, who resigned last week following backlash over her testimony. Timestamps 0:00- Introduction  1:53 - History of FIRE 5:40 - MIT/Harvard/Penn pre...

Ep. 200: The state of free speech 30.11.2023

We're joined by First Amendment attorney Marc Randazza and British journalist Brendan O'Neill to discuss the state of free speech in the United States and Europe.  Randazza is a First Amendment attorney and the managing partner at Randazza Legal Group. He has represented controversial figures throughout his career, including Alex Jones, Mike Cernovich, Chuck Johnson, and founder of the neo-nazi we...

Ep. 199: Israel, Hamas, and censorship at home 09.11.2023

The FIRE team gets together to discuss the October 7 attacks in Israel and the resulting censorship on college campuses in the United States.  FIRE President and CEO Greg Lukianoff, Director of Campus Rights Advocacy Alex Morey, and General Counsel Ronnie London join host Nico Perrino for the conversation. ** We will conduct a listener survey starting Monday, Nov. 13. "So to Speak" listeners who s...

Ep. 198: 2023-24 Supreme Court Preview 25.10.2023

The Supreme Court handed down some big First Amendment victories last term. What lies ahead for the Court in the upcoming term? FIRE Chief Counsel Robert Corn-Revere and FIRE General Counsel Ronnie London join the show to discuss important First Amendment cases that will be heard during the Court's 2023-24 session.   Timestamps:   0:00 - Introduction 1:47 - Murthy v. Missouri (government jawboning...

Ep. 197 'Are cakes speech?' with Alliance Defending Freedom's Kristen Waggoner 12.10.2023

President, CEO, and general counsel of the Alliance Defending Freedom, Kristen Waggoner, joins us for a discussion on freedom of speech and religious liberty. ADF has played various roles in 74 U.S. Supreme Court victories and since 2011, has won cases before the Court 15 times.  According to its website, "ADF is the world's largest legal organization committed to protecting religious freedom, fre...

Ep. 196 'The Identity Trap' by Yascha Mounk 27.09.2023

Writer and academic Yascha Mounk argues that a new set of ideas about race, gender, and sexual orientation have overtaken society, giving rise to a rigid focus on identity in our national debate. In his new book, " The Identity Trap: A Story of Ideas and Power in Our Time ," Yascha seeks to take these ideas seriously, understand their origin, dissect their merits and failings, and offer a path for...

Ep. 195 'Don't Tread on Me,' misgendering, cancel culture, and three strikes for Texas 07.09.2023

FIRE President and CEO Greg Lukianoff and FIRE General Counsel Ronnie London join the show to preview Greg's new co-authored book on cancel culture and to discuss recent free speech cases and headlines: Transcript: https://www.thefire.org/research-learn/so-speak-podcast-transcript-dont-tread-me-misgendering-cancel-culture-and-three   " The Canceling of the American Mind ," by Greg Lukianoff and Ri...

Ep. 194 Harvey Silverglate, the beatnik criminal defense attorney 24.08.2023

Harvey Silverglate is a criminal defense and civil liberties attorney. He is also the co-founder of FIRE. On today's show, Harvey defends the work of criminal defense attorneys, explaining why even guilty people must have the right to a robust legal defense. He also shares stories from his life, from growing up in Brooklyn to defending Vietnam War protesters to co-founding FIRE. Transcript www.sot...

Ep. 193 Can you still have a debate in high school debate? 10.08.2023

High school debate is considered an ideal extracurricular activity for aspiring lawyers, politicians, or anyone seeking to learn the tools of effective communication and persuasion. But a slew of recent reports argue that high school debate is being captured by political ideology, rendering certain arguments off-limits, some debate topics undebatable, and ad hominem attacks fair game. Debate judge...

Ep. 192 Free speech at the Supreme Court 27.07.2023

We review the Supreme Court's free speech cases during the 2022-23 term and speculate on what's in store for the next term. FIRE Vice President of Litigation Darpana Sheth guest hosts and is joined by FIRE Chief Counsel Robert Corn-Revere and FIRE General Counsel Ronnie London. This episode was recorded before a virtual live audience on July 20. Watch a video of the conversation . Transcript Cases...

Ep. 191 Civil liberties and Civil War 13.07.2023

In the last episode of the "So to Speak" podcast, we traced the dramatic story of free speech in the United States from colonial America to the abolitionists' campaign to abolish slavery. In this week's episode, we pick up where we left off and explore the complicated history and legacy of civil liberties during the American Civil War. Professor and author Joseph R. Fornieri and FIRE Chief Counsel...

Ep. 190 Free speech and Abolitionism 28.06.2023

Last Constitution Day, we traced the origins of free speech in the United States from colonial America to the ratification of the Bill of Rights in 1791. In this episode, we jump forward to the antebellum period, where abolitionists such as Frederick Douglass, John Quincy Adams, William Lloyd Garrison, and Angelina Grimké clashed with pro-slavery advocates over the monumental issue of slavery. Jou...

Ep. 189 Why should we care about punk rock? 14.06.2023

Nico knows very little about punk rock. On today's show, Reason magazine's Nick Gillespie and FIRE Vice President of Communications Matt Harwood do their best to explain to Nico why he and other free speech advocates should care about punk rock.   Transcript:   https://www.thefire.org/ research-learn/so-speak- podcast-transcript-why-should- we-care-about-punk-rock www.sotospeakpodcast.com YouTube:...

Ep. 188 How to make a winning free speech argument 01.06.2023

Winning in the court of public opinion is hard. On today's show, Ewing School founder Bob Ewing shares communications strategies that anyone — including free speech advocates — can use to win in the marketplace of ideas. Prior to founding the Ewing School, Bob was director of communications for the Institute for Justice and pioneered a communications training program for the Mercatus Center at Geo...

Ep. 187 Dominion vs. Fox lawyers reflect on historic case 15.05.2023

On April 18, Fox News agreed to pay Dominion Voting Systems $787.5 million to settle a defamation lawsuit stemming from allegations of voter fraud in the 2020 presidential election. The historic settlement came just before the trial was set to begin in a case many saw as having significant First Amendment implications. In this exclusive conversation, attorneys for Fox and Dominion join First Amend...

Ep. 186 Killer Mike on free speech, racial justice, and Rap on Trial 27.04.2023

Rocking their tuxedos in preparation for the 2023 FIRE gala in New York City, Host Nico Perrino speaks with rapper and free speech advocate Killer Mike about his journey toward learning the value of free expression. They also discuss the importance of free speech in American history, the value of engaging and arguing with those who disagree with us, why free speech was critical to gaining racial e...

Ep. 185 Sex, drugs, and free speech (Bob Guccione Jr. and Nick Gillespie) 20.04.2023

Does music censorship still happen in America? Is "sex, drugs, and rock 'n' roll" dead? Is transgression in art and culture celebrated anymore (or was it ever)? From Beyonce and Taylor Swift to Ozzy Osbourne and Robin Thicke, SPIN magazine founder Bob Guccione Jr. and Reason magazine Editor at Large Nick Gillespie join a lively discussion of our current moment in pop culture. Bob also shares some...

Ep. 184 What's going on in Florida? 28.03.2023

What's going on in Florida? Host Nico Perrino and his FIRE colleagues break down the latest efforts to censor speech in the Sunshine State. Show notes: Transcript " VICTORY: After FIRE lawsuit, court halts enforcement of key provisions of the Stop WOKE Act limiting how Florida professors can teach about race, sex " " Thought the 'Stop WOKE Act' was bad? A new Florida bill is worse " " Unconstituti...

Ep. 183 The Stanford shout-down with David Lat 22.03.2023

UPDATE: Just as this podcast was to be published, Stanford Law School Dean Jenny Martinez sent a 10-page memorandum to the law school community outlining a path forward for the school, including updating school policies to prevent future speaker disruptions and mandatory student free speech training. She also announced that Associate Dean Tirien Steinbach is on leave. – The heckling began almost a...

Ep. 182 Ilya Shapiro on Fox/Dominion and his 'cancel culture nightmare' 10.03.2023

Ilya Shapiro joins the show to discuss the fireworks in the Fox/Dominion defamation lawsuit, his recent speaking appearance at the University of Denver, and his "cancel culture nightmare" at Georgetown University. Shapiro is a senior fellow and director of constitutional studies at the Manhattan Institute. He previously (and briefly) served as executive director and senior lecturer at the Georgeto...

Ep. 181 New York Times v. Sullivan and its future 23.02.2023

The seminal 1964 Supreme Court decision in New York Times v. Sullivan limited the ability of public officials to silence their critics by successfully suing them for defamation. Sullivan made "American public officials more accountable, the American media more watchful, and the American people better informed," said William Rehnquist , the late Chief Justice of the Supreme Court. But Sullivan is i...

Ep. 180 Super Bowl free speech fumble 09.02.2023

FIRE's Will Creeley and Aaron Terr join the show to discuss Phoenix, Arizona's unconstitutional "clean zone" for Super Bowl LVII, Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot's effort to get public school students to volunteer for her re-election campaign, recent polling on how much people really know about the First Amendment (sadly, not much), and Indiegogo, Kickstarter, and Crowdfundr canceling fundraisers for...

Ep. 179 Artificial intelligence: Is it protected by the First Amendment? 26.01.2023

What does the rise of artificial intelligence mean for the future of free speech and the First Amendment? Who is liable for what AI produces? Can you own a copyright for works produced by AI? Does AI itself violate intellectual property rights when it uses others' information to generate content? What about that Morgan Freeman "deep fake" ? And is ChatGPT going to make all of our jobs irrelevant?...

Ep. 178 The costs of offending religious sensitivities 12.01.2023

A faculty member at Hamline University lost her job. Twelve staffers at the French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo were murdered. And Salman Rushdie was repeatedly stabbed. All of them offended certain people's religious sensitivities. On today's show, we are joined by Amna Khalid and Michael Moynihan to discuss the risks and costs of teaching, talking, writing, and creating art about religion, p...

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