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So to Speak: The Free Speech Podcast
So to Speak: The Free Speech Podcast takes an uncensored look at the world of free expression through the law, philosophy, and stories that define your right to free speech. Hosted by FIRE's Nico Perrino. New episodes post every other week.
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Ep. 227: Should there be categories of unprotected speech? 22.10.2024 1:03:31
The FIRE team debates the proposition: Should there be any categories of unprotected speech? General Counsel Ronnie London and Chief Counsel Bob Corn-Revere go through each category of speech falling outside First Amendment protection to decide whether it should remain unprotected or if it's time to "remove an arrow from the government's quiver." Read the transcript . Timestamps: 00:00 Intro 17:5...
Ep. 226: 'Shouting fire,' deepfake laws, tenured professors, and mask bans 10.10.2024 1:05:35
The FIRE team discusses Tim Walz's controversial comments on hate speech and "shouting fire in a crowded theater." We also examine California's AI deepfake laws, the punishment of tenured professors, and mask bans. Joining us are: Aaron Terr, FIRE's director of Public Advocacy; Connor Murnane, FIRE's Campus Advocacy chief of staff; and Adam Goldstein, FIRE's vice president of strategic initiativ...
Ep. 225: Debating social media content moderation 26.09.2024 1:12:21
Can free speech and content moderation on social media coexist? Jonathan Rauch and Renee DiResta discuss the complexities of content moderation on social media platforms. They explore how platforms balance free expression with the need to moderate harmful content and the consequences of censorship in a digital world. Jonathan Rauch is a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution and the author of...
Ep. 224: Ayn Rand, Objectivism, and free speech 12.09.2024 1:10:27
What happens when philosopher Ayn Rand's theories meet free speech? Tara Smith and Onkar Ghate of the Ayn Rand Institute explore Rand's Objectivist philosophy, its emphasis on reason and individual rights, and how it applies to contemporary free speech issues. Smith and Onkar are contributors to a new book, " The First Amendment: Essays on the Imperative of Intellectual Freedom ." Listeners may b...
Ep. 223: Teaching conservatism on a liberal college campus 29.08.2024 47:38
Can a course on conservatism shake up the liberal status quo on campus? Tufts University professor Eitan Hersh presents his unique class on American conservatism and its impact on campus free speech and open dialogue. He discusses the challenges and opportunities of teaching conservative thought in a predominantly liberal academic environment. Eitan Hersh is a professor of political science. H...
Ep. 222: John Stuart Mill's lasting impact on the Supreme Court 15.08.2024 1:04:17
How has 19th-century English philosopher John Stuart Mill influenced America's conception of free speech and the First Amendment? In their new book, " The Supreme Court and the Philosopher: How John Stuart Mill Shaped U.S. Free Speech Protections, " co-authors Eric Kasper and Troy Kozma look at how the Supreme Court has increasingly aligned its interpretation of free expression with Mill's philoso...
Ep. 221: Section 230 co-author, Rep. Christopher Cox 01.08.2024 58:17
Some argue that Section 230 allows the internet to flourish. Others argue it allows harmful content to flourish. Christopher Cox knows something about Section 230: He co-wrote it. Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act is an American law passed in 1996 that shields websites from liability for content posted on their sites by users. What does Rep. Cox make of the law today? Rep. Cox was a...
Ep. 220: Political violence and speech 18.07.2024 1:05:47
Did overheated political rhetoric lead to the assassination attempt on former President Donald Trump? On today's show we explore political violence: its history, its causes, and its relationship with free speech. Flemming Rose is a senior fellow at the Cato Institute. He previously served as foreign affairs editor and culture editor at the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten. In 2005, he was principa...
Ep. 219: The First Amendment at the Supreme Court 03.07.2024 1:39:29
The Supreme Court term is over. We review its First Amendment cases. Joining the show are FIRE Chief Counsel Bob Corn-Revere, FIRE General Counsel Ronnie London, and Institute for Justice Deputy Litigation Director Robert McNamara. Become a FIRE Member today and gain access to live monthly webinars where you can ask questions of FIRE staff. The next webinar is July 8 at 1 p.m. ET. We will take y...
Ep. 218: A warning label on social media? 25.06.2024 1:26:50
There is a movement afoot to restrict young people's access to social media and pornography. Critics of social media and online porn argue that they can be harmful to minors, and states across the country are taking up the cause, considering laws that would impose age-verification, curfews, parental opt-ins, and other restrictions. Meanwhile, critics of the critics argue that the evidence of harm...
Ep. 217: 'Defending pornography' 20.06.2024 1:13:57
It is said that censorship is the strongest drive in human nature — with sex being a weak second. But what happens when these two primordial drives clash? Does censorship or sex win out? Nadine Strossen is a professor emerita at New York Law School, a former president of the ACLU, and a senior fellow at FIRE. She is also the author of " Defending Pornography: Free Speech, Sex, and the Fight for Wo...
Ep. 216: Section 230 and online content moderation 06.06.2024 1:21:26
Did 26 words from an American law passed in 1996 create the internet? Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act says that interactive websites and applications cannot be held legally liable for the content posted on their sites by their users. Without the law, it's likely Facebook, Amazon, Reddit, Yelp, and X wouldn't exist — at least not in their current form. But some say the law shields lar...
Ep. 215: 'Private Censorship' with J.P. Messina 21.05.2024 1:17:14
The First Amendment forbids government censorship. Private institutions, on the other hand, are generally free to restrict speech. How should we think about private censorship and its role within a liberal society? On today's episode, we're joined by J.P. Messina, an assistant professor in the philosophy department at Purdue University and the author of the new book, " Private Censorship ." Also o...
Ep. 214: The Antisemitism Awareness Act 07.05.2024 1:02:11
On May 1, the U.S. House of Representatives passed the Antisemitism Awareness Act by a vote of 320 to 91. Proponents of the law say it is necessary to address anti-Semitic discrimination on college campuses. Opponents argue it threatens free speech. Who's right? Kenneth Stern was the lead drafter of the definition of anti-Semitism used in the act. But he said the definition was never meant to...
Ep. 213: Campus unrest - live webinar 30.04.2024 1:06:02
Host Nico Perrino joins his FIRE colleagues Will Creeley and Alex Morey to answer questions about the recent campus unrest and its First Amendment implications. Timestamps 0:00 Introduction 0:41 What is FIRE?/campus unrest 5:44 What are the basic First Amendment principles for campus protest? 11:30 Student encampments 18:09 Exceptions to the First Amendment 29:01 Can administrators limit ac...
Ep. 212: Should the First Amendment protect hate speech? 25.04.2024 1:06:59
In America, hate speech is generally protected by the First Amendment. But should it be? Today's guest is out with a new book, " Hate Speech is Not Free: The Case Against First Amendment Protection ." W. Wat Hopkins is emeritus professor of communication at Virginia Tech, where he taught communication law and cyberspace law. Transcript of Interview: https://www.thefire.org/research-learn/so-speak...
Ep. 211: Generational differences and civil liberties with Neil Howe 11.04.2024 1:21:49
In late 2013, some of us at FIRE started noticing a change on college campuses. Students, who were previously the strongest constituency for free speech on campus, were turning against free speech. They began appealing to administrators more frequently for protection from different speakers and using the language of trauma and safety to justify censorship. What changed? Neil Howe may have an answe...
Ep. 210: The First Amendment at the Supreme Court 29.03.2024 1:23:11
"I have never seen a Supreme Court term that is as consequential as this one is going to be," said FIRE Chief Counsel Bob Corn-Revere, previewing this term's First Amendment cases. On today's show, we analyze the oral arguments in four of those cases: NRA v. Vullo , Murthy v. Missouri (formerly Missouri v. Biden ), Moody v. NetChoice, LLC, and NetChoice, LLC, v. Paxton . We also discuss the court'...
Ep. 209: 'Is money speech?' with Robert Breedlove 25.03.2024 2:07:53
There is a recurring debate in the free speech community regarding whether money is speech. Bitcoin-focused entrepreneur, writer, and philosopher Robert Breedlove joins us today to help resolve the debate. Describing money as "the language of human action," Robert makes the case that money, like the cryptocurrency Bitcoin, is information and should be free from government regulation and manipul...
Ep. 208: Dodging censorship in Russia 14.03.2024 1:00:39
On today's episode, we discuss Alexei Navalny's death, Vladimir Putin, censorship in Russia, and Samizdat Online , an anti-censorship platform that grants users living under authoritarian regimes access to news and other censored content. Yevgeny "Genia" Simkin is the co-founder of Samizdat Online and Stanislav "Stas" Kucher is its chief content officer. Timestamps 0:00 Introduction 2:25 Alex...
Ep. 207 Free speech news: NetChoice, Taylor Swift, October 7, and Satan 29.02.2024 1:23:29
On today's free speech news roundup, we discuss the recent NetChoice oral argument, Taylor Swift, doxxing, October 7 fallout on campus, and Satan in Iowa. Joining us on the show are Alex Morey, FIRE director of Campus Rights Advocacy; Aaron Terr, director of Public Advocacy; and Ronnie London, our general counsel. Timestamps 0:00 Introduction 0:44 NetChoice oral arguments 19:39 Taylor Swift cea...
Ep. 206: CJ Hopkins compared modern Germany to Nazi Germany. Now he's standing trial. 15.02.2024 1:14:24
J Hopkins is an American playwright, novelist, and political satirist. He moved to Germany in 2004. He publishes a self-titled blog on Substack and is the editor of Consent Factory Publishing. CJ's most recent book, "The Rise of the New Normal Reich," draws a parallel between Nazi Germany and the response to the COVID-19 pandemic. In August 2022, it was banned on Amazon in Germany, Austria, and...
Ep. 205: An anarchist's perspective with Michael Malice 01.02.2024 1:17:08
Michael Malice is a self-described "anarchist without adjectives" and is the author of several books, including most recently " The White Pill: A Tale of Good and Evil ." He is also the host of the podcast, " YOUR WELCOME, " and the subject of the biographical comic book, " Ego & Hubris: The Michael Malice Story ." Michael joins us today to explain why he hates the term "free speech," and gives...
Ep. 204: "Liar in a Crowded Theater" with Jeff Kosseff 18.01.2024 1:02:44
Jeff Kosseff is an associate professor of cybersecurity law in the United States Naval Academy's Cyber Science Department. He is the author of four books including his most recent, " Liar in a Crowded Theater: Freedom of Speech in a World of Misinformation ." He has also written books about anonymous speech and Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act. Timestamps 0:00 Introduction 2:30 Je...
Ep. 203: 'Undefeated' with Coach Bill Courtney 04.01.2024 1:03:33
Bill Courtney is an American football coach, entrepreneur, author, and the subject of the academy award winning 2011 documentary " Undefeated ," which tells the story of Courtney leading a high school football team in an economically depressed area of Memphis, Tenn. to the playoffs. Courtney is the host of the An Army of Normal Folks podcast, in which he shares stories of "ordinary people doing ex...
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